andybarton Posted July 6, 2013 Share #1 Posted July 6, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) First time I have ever done this... and on the most anticipated roll too... The lower roll has also suffered from odd eddy currents in the developer... oh, well. Will just have to go back and reshoot... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/208304-let-this-be-a-lesson-for-you/?do=findComment&comment=2367596'>More sharing options...
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TomB_tx Posted July 6, 2013 Share #2 Posted July 6, 2013 At least in the darkroom nobody can hear you scream... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richardgb Posted July 7, 2013 Share #3 Posted July 7, 2013 First time I have ever done this... and on the most anticipated roll too... The lower roll has also suffered from odd eddy currents in the developer... oh, well. Will just have to go back and reshoot... Never seen that before - and sorry to do so - but how did you get the lid on the dev tank? Were you using a tank much longer than the 2 spirals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted July 7, 2013 It is an old Paterson tank which takes two reels. The lid went on as normal - if it hadn't I'd have noticed as I was closing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xalo Posted July 7, 2013 Share #5 Posted July 7, 2013 Ouch... no long search for causes at least... Thanks for sharing the experience. Alexander Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
topoxforddoc Posted July 7, 2013 Share #6 Posted July 7, 2013 First time I have ever done this... and on the most anticipated roll too... The lower roll has also suffered from odd eddy currents in the developer... oh, well. Will just have to go back and reshoot... [ATTACH]385933[/ATTACH] Only. If you can! I have film to develop from today's shoot of Wilko Johnson at Cornbury Festival. No chance of reshooting that as he will soon be with the guitar legends in the sky. Unbelievable that he's still playing with advanced pancreatic cancer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rawcs Posted July 8, 2013 Share #7 Posted July 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Such mistakes tend to be only made once, Andy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted July 8, 2013 Share #8 Posted July 8, 2013 Commiserations. A very unusual occurrence indeed I have a similar tank but perhaps as I use a changing-bag I might (and I stress the 'might') have spotted only one spool appearing when emptying the bag after loading the tank, prior to heading to the kitchen sink. But there again... Sent from my iPad Mini using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 8, 2013 Share #9 Posted July 8, 2013 All the accidents happen to every photographer at some point or other if they do photography enough. You know the rules, but the errors are the things that drive them home. Which is a good reason to avoid advice which comes with the words 'it has never happened to me', or 'I have never had a problem', because they are the ones who have no imagination. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted July 8, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted July 8, 2013 All was not lost... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith (M) Posted July 8, 2013 Share #11 Posted July 8, 2013 Sláinte Sent from my iPad Mini using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted July 8, 2013 Share #12 Posted July 8, 2013 perhaps the eddys in the scotch helped as well ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 8, 2013 Share #13 Posted July 8, 2013 All was not lost... http://m7leicauser.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/laphroag-film1.jpg Ah! My favourite scotch, when I can afford it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted August 10, 2013 Share #14 Posted August 10, 2013 Insufficient chemicals is my diagnosis. Measure with cover off. The twisty stick is for initial agitation only right after pour in. After that use inversion, twice in 5 sec every 30 sec or 4 in 10 once per minute. This is what the Patterson instructions say. Do not blame me. With the hugh empty volume in the cap, agitation is both vigorous and random which is exactly what you need. With reasonable care, it is impossible to screw up in a a Patterson . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted August 11, 2013 Share #15 Posted August 11, 2013 I never did like inversion agitation, more chance for the reels to work their way up the centre column, and more chance of air bells, I always twiddled it backwards and forwards, 5 secs each way each minute after the first 30 secs continuous. Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 11, 2013 Author Share #16 Posted August 11, 2013 Insufficient chemicals is my diagnosis . Have you looked at the photo above? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadside Posted August 11, 2013 Share #17 Posted August 11, 2013 Too vigorous agitation can lead to "tide marks" around the sprocket holes as the developer rushes back and forth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 38 Posted August 11, 2013 Share #18 Posted August 11, 2013 Well done for geting some results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted August 19, 2013 Share #19 Posted August 19, 2013 Have you looked at the photo above? I have. Still say insufficient chemicals or tank is resting not flat. Tide marks or surge marks are from insufficient agitation, not too much. You are not replacing spent developer in the "thin" areas. The only time I ever got marks was 4x5 where the bottom of the holder blocked some flow. More vigorous agitation fixed it. Kodak recommends 5 to 7 inversions in 5 seconds for small tank development. It works. So does one roll in a two roll tank with a blank reel on top for a spacer. Use only 8 ounces and you get full interchange of developer, 2 inversions in 5 sec. That is about as vigorous as one can get. The film does not mark. You may be getting marks from pouring in slowly and allowing developer to run down the outer wraps of film until the tank fills. This will mark it for sure. The best way is to drop the loaded reel into tank prefilled with developer or use a the Patterson that fills bottom up. The idea is the wet/dry edge has to move across the film as quickly as possible and never allow it to retreat and restart. This will mark it for sure. Holding back agitation is the wrong solution. Stand and semi stand supposedly works. If it works for you, wonderful. I get streaks and they are worse in the fully exposed leader. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted August 19, 2013 The problem is that there was a spool caught between the two reels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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