stuny Posted July 30, 2013 Share #41 Posted July 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Moped muggers (sometimes done by a passenger behind the driver) are not all that umcommon in Europe and Asia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pico Posted July 30, 2013 Share #42 Posted July 30, 2013 Moped muggers (sometimes done by a passenger behind the driver) are not all that umcommon in Europe and Asia. I will nonetheless take my chances with a steel cabled bag. It is likely the scooter perp will be pulled off. It would suck to be him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted July 30, 2013 Share #43 Posted July 30, 2013 I will nonetheless take my chances with a steel cabled bag. It is likely the scooter perp will be pulled off. It would suck to be him. Or at least his arm....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 30, 2013 Share #44 Posted July 30, 2013 I'd not bet against the momentum of the moped thief and I am 6'3" and solidly built. Anyone who says otherwise is living in a dream. Regards, Bill Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 31, 2013 Share #45 Posted July 31, 2013 I'd not bet against the momentum of the moped thief and I am 6'3" and solidly built. Anyone who says otherwise is living in a dream Physics is not your long suit, is it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erl Posted July 31, 2013 Share #46 Posted July 31, 2013 Simple solution. Stay at home! Don't answer the door. Send your travel documents to me. They won't be wasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 31, 2013 Share #47 Posted July 31, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Physics is not your long suit, is it. ...and reality isn't yours. The proverbial chain is no stronger than its weakest link. A moped with momentum, a determined thief with intent, a steel cable around your unsuspecting neck... Go for it. Regards, Bilk Sent from another Galaxy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 31, 2013 Share #48 Posted July 31, 2013 Last thoughts as your head lies in the gutter, 'damn that's an interesting angle.....' I think an extra belt around your waist, along with the shoulder strap, would do the job better than a steel cable around your neck. In fact 'Think Tank' make such a bag, the 'Change Up', a bag that can double as a waist pack, shoulder bag, or chest bag. Used as a shoulder bag it gives the usual comfy amount of movement and freedom, but if you get into tight crowds, or you might want to run to keep up with action, you can just put the waist strap around to keep the bag close to your body. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted July 31, 2013 Share #49 Posted July 31, 2013 imho, that's what makes courier bags worthwhile as camera bags. The additional waist strap hugs the bag to the body when needed and you can also work out of the bag easily when you swing it around in front of you: Incognito Camera Bags Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 31, 2013 Share #50 Posted July 31, 2013 ...and reality isn't yours. The proverbial chain is no stronger than its weakest link. A moped with momentum, a determined thief with intent, a steel cable around your unsuspecting neck... Go for it. Most camera bags are nylon with nylon braided straps and nylon stitching. Those are unlikely to snap if grabbed, metal wire or no metal wire. It's been a long time since physics A level, but I think Pico is correct. Imagine the same situation, but the other way round. If some one rode past you on a moped with a bag over their shoulder and you grabbed it, its unlikely they would remain sat on the moped and you would be dragged along the floor. What would happen is you would be pulled over, and they would be pulled from their seat. I can see how a thief could snatch the bag without a problem if it were placed loosely around a shoulder without an arm being around the strap, but when I'm carrying my bag I tend to have my 'bag arm' in front of me, which would make the bag more difficult to snatch. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 31, 2013 Share #51 Posted July 31, 2013 Tell you what, you and Pico go and stroll around, say, Naples for a bit with a steel cord around your neck and a nice bag or shiny camera attached to the other end. Let us know how you get on. Sheesh. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 31, 2013 Share #52 Posted July 31, 2013 Tell you what, you and Pico go and stroll around, say, Naples for a bit with a steel cord around your neck and a nice bag or shiny camera attached to the other end. Let us know how you get on. Sheesh The physics is the reason thieves cut the strap before attempting to steal the bag. If they fail to cut the strap and hold onto it they will be dragged off the bike - assuming they're not bolted to the moped etc. of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 31, 2013 Share #53 Posted July 31, 2013 The thief in post #40 did not cut first. Believe what you want. Yet another discussion pissed on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 31, 2013 Share #54 Posted July 31, 2013 Believe what you want. Yet another discussion pissed on. Actually no Bill, it's a thread where people disagree with you. That's not the same thing at all. I think you need to accept that people are allowed to hold opinions that are different to your own. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 31, 2013 Share #55 Posted July 31, 2013 The thief in post #40 did not cut first I was discussing a pillion passenger on a moped/motorcycle. That's different to someone standing in a street. For example the only thing (or rather almost the only thing) that keeps the pillion passenger stable in gravity and the friction between his backside and the seat. That is not a strong bond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted July 31, 2013 Share #56 Posted July 31, 2013 Pot, kettle. As usual. There is a difference between disagreeing and pissing on. There is a difference between expressing a different opinion and sticking your boot down someone's throat. I'm pig sick of this, and of your irrational disagreement with every single thing I say. Enjoy the ignore list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted July 31, 2013 Share #57 Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) There is a difference between disagreeing and pissing on. There is a difference between expressing a different opinion and sticking your boot down someone's throat. I'm pig sick of this, and of your irrational disagreement with every single thing I say. Enjoy the ignore list. I'm struggling to see where I'm sticking a boot down anyone's throat. I've only ever commented on a very small percentage of the thousands of posts you've made. In this particular thread you made what I believed to be an error regarding the physics involved when someone on a moped attempts to snatch a bag. I pointed out that error. Is that 'irrational disagreement'? If I am wrong regarding the physics I will admit so. Edited July 31, 2013 by stunsworth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevelap Posted July 31, 2013 Share #58 Posted July 31, 2013 The Wetzlar One Challenge should be interesting for you two...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted July 31, 2013 Share #59 Posted July 31, 2013 I was discussing a pillion passenger on a moped/motorcycle. That's different to someone standing in a street. For example the only thing (or rather almost the only thing) that keeps the pillion passenger stable in gravity and the friction between his backside and the seat. That is not a strong bond. But a pillion passenger and driver are braced ready for the pull, which makes a massive difference to the outcome, and in their favour. That is the dynamic of the situation, all the elements should be taken into consideration. Think of it like two tug of war teams, one standing upright , and one braced and leaning in the opposite direction, which will win? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted July 31, 2013 Share #60 Posted July 31, 2013 As entertaining as the last few posts are I think a little objectivity might be required. Anyone is a potential victim of robbery, anywhere and at any time. The chances of it happening are dependent upon where you are and what kind of target you present to a criminal. In the case of a moped-equipped attempt at separating camera gear from it's owner, I suspect the potential for serious injury to the victim is high whether straps are cable reinforced or not. In all my years as a photographer, I could probably count on the fingers of one hand those I know who have been deliberately targeted by thieves because they are obviously carrying camera equipment. Most have been robberies of from unattended cars parked at wedding venues whilst another colleague recently lost his entire bag of Canon gear at a university where he was photographing graduations after he put it down to talk to someone for a couple of minutes. It would be interesting to know how many members of this forum have been robbed because they are carrying cameras rather than being an unfortunate victim of a random attack. An 'anti-theft camera bag' does not exist, so be aware of your visibility in known high-risk locations. Insure and be sensible. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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