I like film...(open thread)

[Krusty]

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Am 10.1.2021 um 12:59 schrieb S/W:

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Leica M4-P * Voigtlaender Nokton 1.4/35 S.C. * Kodak Portra 400 @200 * Nikon Coolscan V ED

Hi, 

i like this picture and the colors. When i want to shoot portra 400 @ 200 what do i need to take care of? at development you cannot take care of anything because it is c41. but afterwards? Do i have to do something with my Scanner-Programm (Vuescan) or my conversion tool (Negative Lab Pro) ? Or do i just have to handle it as it would be exposed at ISO 400 ? And why is this picture not overexposed?

 

Thank you

Edited February 27, 2021 by Krusty

[S/W]

vor 34 Minuten schrieb Krusty:

Hi, 

i like this picture and the colors. When i want to shoot portra 400 @ 200 what do i need to take care of? at development you cannot take care of anything because it is c41. but afterwards? Do i have to do something with my Scanner-Programm (Vuescan) or my conversion tool (Negative Lab Pro) ? Or do i just have to handle it as it would be exposed at ISO 400 ? And why is this picture not overexposed?

 

Thank you

Hi Krusty,

thank you 🙂

I shoot Kodak Portra 400 @ 200 and do nothing else. I only send it to my Lab (only in German: https://www.meinfilmlab.de/der-pastell-look/) and write them exposed at 200. When my negatives come back I scanned it with my Nikon Coolscan V ED in RAW/Tiff in highest resolution. Next Step is loading in Capture One Pro 20 an I look if it necessary for a little bit more contrast or a little bit brighter/darker, that's all! No sorcery 😉 

I love this film more than a digital picture from my Leica M-E (Typ 240)/Leica Q or Nikon D850! Sometimes I use the Kodak Gold 200 and I like the output from this film too.

Try it and have fun 👍

Regards

S/W

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[Krusty]

vor 5 Stunden schrieb S/W:

Hi Krusty,

thank you 🙂

I shoot Kodak Portra 400 @ 200 and do nothing else. I only send it to my Lab (only in German: https://www.meinfilmlab.de/der-pastell-look/) and write them exposed at 200. When my negatives come back I scanned it with my Nikon Coolscan V ED in RAW/Tiff in highest resolution. Next Step is loading in Capture One Pro 20 an I look if it necessary for a little bit more contrast or a little bit brighter/darker, that's all! No sorcery 😉 

I love this film more than a digital picture from my Leica M-E (Typ 240)/Leica Q or Nikon D850! Sometimes I use the Kodak Gold 200 and I like the output from this film too.

Try it and have fun 👍

Regards

S/W

Hi,

for me my first Leica was the Q (Typ 116) and after that i stumbled into the analog but with Leica R4 and the Leica CL. Do you think that MyFilmLab does something different when they read „shot @ ISO 200“ on a 400 Film (i mean a Pull development) or do they just process as it would be shot at ISO 400 ? Is push / pull only common on B/W or C41 development as well? Do you know if discounters (DM, Rossmann, ) also are able to push / pull develop film?

Edited February 27, 2021 by Krusty

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I never heard that discounter labs offer push/pull development. The smaller but good labs that i know will shorten the develop time if you give them the note "overexposed 1 stop" or "exposed as 200 instead of 400iso". If they would develop them as a correct at 400iso exposed film the lights will be too dens and the prints would have blown out lights.

[Krusty]

vor 10 Minuten schrieb verwackelt:

I never heard that discounter labs offer push/pull development. The smaller but good labs that i know will shorten the develop time if you give them the note "overexposed 1 stop" or "exposed as 200 instead of 400iso". If they would develop them as a correct at 400iso exposed film the lights will be too dens and the prints would have blown out lights.

Thanks for your answer.... so that means if i want the Pastell look, I’ll have to overexposed by e.g. one stop and the lab has to pull it as well... thanks this information was always missing for me. But yes now it makes sense...

[verwackelt]

Yes otherwise your film is just overexposed with harsher colors.

[Krusty]

vor 8 Minuten schrieb verwackelt:

Yes otherwise your film is just overexposed with harsher colors.

Thank you! That was my missing link. I always thought that it must be like that but it was never confirmed. The next roll of Portra 400 i will try. But then i have to send it to a real lab for Pull because i think the discounter-shops around me wont do it...

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vor 21 Minuten schrieb verwackelt:

Yes otherwise your film is just overexposed with harsher colors.

What do you think about this article: https://petapixel.com/2018/02/05/test-reveals-exposure-limits-kodak-portra-400-film/ ?

How is this possible? Because it is on the same soll of film without push and pull and the overexposed pics also look great.

Edited February 27, 2021 by Krusty

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vor 26 Minuten schrieb Krusty:

What do you think about this article: https://petapixel.com/2018/02/05/test-reveals-exposure-limits-kodak-portra-400-film/ ?

How is this possible? Because it is on the same soll of film without push and pull and the overexposed pics also look great.

I think the scanner software is optimising or compensating the  gradation of the overexposed negatives. My experience is that negatives can be better overexposed than underexposed.
BUT i would look different if you will do wetprints via enlarger of that films as in film days. As i know we have no different paper gradations for RA4 papers to compensate for overexposed negatives.
What the scannersoftware can do, a RA4 paper with normal gradation can not do. As i remember in the 80ies when i was an apprentice in a photolab we had some baryta color paper for Ep2 ? process? i can not remember anymore... but there where some softer and some harder papers. A bit like b&w papers which are available in a wider range of gradations.
Nowadays we do not have such a versatile choice of materials.

P.S. unfortunately in the video they did not show the negatives on a light table but only the scans.
I bet there where some interesting things to see…

Edited February 27, 2021 by verwackelt

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Verwackelt and Krusty, I did slides for many years, even decades...then went digital, then went for Negative Film. And was very frustrated, because I did what I had been doing for decades: measure for the light... So wrong, as Jörg, the owner of MFL  explained to me: his advice: measure for the shadows and with Kodak films just take half of the box speed: So 200 for the Portra 400, 400 for the P 800 and 80 for the P 160. With the Fuji 400 P ( if you are lucky enough to find some ) it´s  even more you have to give.  The process will not  !!! change, so no pull dev... Only if you, what is not advisable, find yourself in the desperate situation to underexpose the film, they need that information. Otherwise they just do C 41 Standard.... ( MFL used to be next to my place, I went there by bicycle and talked to the people.. very friendly and approachable btw. So if in doubt, just give them a call )  So if you have your film developed on main street, just overexpose by LV 1 and measure for the shadows. One exception: Kodak Ektar 100 needs box speed. Otherwise the color will be overly saturated. 

in the picture I measured the shadow of the fir, the P 400 was exposed @ 200 and developed by MFL as a normal C 41. 

 

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Good to know, my experience with push/pull C41 films  is back in the film days when they were not scanned but enlarged on paper.
At that times we had to change the developing times. Nowadys with film scanning the workflow seems to be easier.