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I just love those colours, Christoph, and I wholeheartedly agree with you about those things that make film, film. Have you played with cross-processing before? It's something I've never tried but the results you've demonstrated here (along with that lovely little 40mm!) are incredibly inspiring.

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Klaus, I unfortunately don't know Negative Lab Pro. I only tested it briefly and concluded it does not do anything that Color Perfect doesn't already do better and easier. But there has to be a simple way of making the image grayscale in Lightroom. I use Adobe Camera Raw for almost all my edits and it has a super simple panel for colour corrections including grayscale. Photoshop also has that of course.

8 hours ago, Kl@usW. said:

Thank you Philipus, I have to admit that the toning is not completely my choice.... I scan the negative with my Canon 5D --- and put the RAW through the "Negative Lab Pro" Plug in for LR. The idea is then, that you "probe" the color of the film carrier between two pictures with the pipette tool and define this as grey. Good idea, but what happens afterwards is quite amusing: All slider functions in LR are inversed--and so far I haven't found out how to eliminate the toning completely.... Any suggestions by users? What about your experiences, @benqui? In the end I try to make the best of it.... 

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vor 9 Stunden schrieb Kl@usW.:

Thank you Philipus, I have to admit that the toning is not completely my choice.... I scan the negative with my Canon 5D --- and put the RAW through the "Negative Lab Pro" Plug in for LR. The idea is then, that you "probe" the color of the film carrier between two pictures with the pipette tool and define this as grey. Good idea, but what happens afterwards is quite amusing: All slider functions in LR are inversed--and so far I haven't found out how to eliminate the toning completely.... Any suggestions by users? What about your experiences, @benqui? In the end I try to make the best of it.... 

Negative Lab Pro is for sure a very good tool to digitalize the negatives. With b/w, I have no problems at all. As far as I have seen in different YouTube Videos, it is normal that the LR functions are inversed. Therefore I use the functions of NLP which work quite good. With color film I have some problems, but I think these are homemade problems: with color negatives from the Lab it works very good, the colors are really perfect. With my own C-41 process it does not look good continuously. But I am sure this is due to my C-41 process and not due to the software. As a result, I send "important" color films to the lab for the development and digitalize it with NLP at home until I have improved my C-41 home development.

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Similarly expired Fuji NPS160

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vor 4 Stunden schrieb philipus:

Klaus, I unfortunately don't know Negative Lab Pro. I only tested it briefly and concluded it does not do anything that Color Perfect doesn't already do better and easier. But there has to be a simple way of making the image grayscale in Lightroom. I use Adobe Camera Raw for almost all my edits and it has a super simple panel for colour corrections including grayscale. Photoshop also has that of course.

 

vor 2 Stunden schrieb benqui:

Negative Lab Pro is for sure a very good tool to digitalize the negatives. With b/w, I have no problems at all. As far as I have seen in different YouTube Videos, it is normal that the LR functions are inversed. Therefore I use the functions of NLP which work quite good. With color film I have some problems, but I think these are homemade problems: with color negatives from the Lab it works very good, the colors are really perfect. With my own C-41 process it does not look good continuously. But I am sure this is due to my C-41 process and not due to the software. As a result, I send "important" color films to the lab for the development and digitalize it with NLP at home until I have improved my C-41 home development.

Thank you Philipus and Marc; I´ll  work on it.... 

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vor 10 Stunden schrieb Wayne:

 Yes. It is the original Summaron. Sometimes I lament the fact that it is not coated, or at least not coated with modern materials, but then...........I love it as well.

Best,

Wayne

 

In your picture, the glow adds to the quality of the shots. 

BTW I had a new Summaron--but due to my thick fingers, too many of the resulting pics turned out digital 😁, so I sold it... of course a picture as yours inflames some sellers remorse  

vor 17 Stunden schrieb Ernest:

Forecasting
M-A APO 50 E100

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We are drifting in the events of our time.. and  no art detached from these influences is imaginable.

So let me interpret the grey disturbance as a reflection of the disturbing events around us. Not a nice forecast.... 

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vor 10 Minuten schrieb benqui:

Yemen, 1990, Kodakchrome 64, Nikon FM2,  still beautiful colors!!!

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Marc, didn´t know you were a frontline reporter too... two AK 47 pointed at the photographer are not for the feeble hearted. But as the story goes, a Nikon ( or a Leica ! ) in the right place saved a life or two.... or am I misunderstanding your picture and you are making an sneaky  comment on the political situation elsewhere-more than one place to be thought of: the sheep are carried away by a bunch of mad guys not  held accountable by anyone....mmmh, I´´ll allow myself some escapism and have a look what's for lunch...   

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4 hours ago, Kl@usW. said:

In case you can't change things: nature, beauty and art are allowed escapes...  

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HB 205, Makro-Planar 135 Bellows, XP2s @400, Rodinal. and yes: tripod

This is a lovely photograph, Klaus – bristling goodness. I really like its bold delicateness.

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vor 19 Stunden schrieb Kl@usW.:

Thank you Philipus, I have to admit that the toning is not completely my choice.... I scan the negative with my Canon 5D --- and put the RAW through the "Negative Lab Pro" Plug in for LR. The idea is then, that you "probe" the color of the film carrier between two pictures with the pipette tool and define this as grey. Good idea, but what happens afterwards is quite amusing: All slider functions in LR are inversed--and so far I haven't found out how to eliminate the toning completely.... Any suggestions by users? What about your experiences, @benqui? In the end I try to make the best of it.... 

Hi Klaus,

There is no need to proceed with - a very irritating indeed - inverted files of NLP. You just need to safe them first as a tiff file - in the latest version of NLP just check the box in the bottom of the NLP window and then you can edit the files as always. It’s a good idea as well to convert the files to b&w files after the white point has been set.  Please feel free to contact me directly if you have additional comments or questions. 
 

Best regards 

Jakob

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Believe it or not, it's a cat photo.   [T-Max 400]

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vor 8 Stunden schrieb Kl@usW.:

Marc, didn´t know you were a frontline reporter too... two AK 47 pointed at the photographer are not for the feeble hearted. But as the story goes, a Nikon ( or a Leica ! ) in the right place saved a life or two.... or am I misunderstanding your picture and you are making an sneaky  comment on the political situation elsewhere-more than one place to be thought of: the sheep are carried away by a bunch of mad guys not  held accountable by anyone....mmmh, I´´ll allow myself some escapism and have a look what's for lunch...   

Ha ha Klaus, they may look dangerous, but they were very friendly. 

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No Go SoCal Architecture
M-A APO 50 Portra 400
The new Brutalism.

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vor 5 Stunden schrieb Suede:

This is a lovely photograph, Klaus – bristling goodness. I really like its bold delicateness.

Thank you very much, Suede for your kind recognition. To be honest, I'm quite happy with the outcome exposure wise-- the rest lies in the eyes of the beholder. I find poppies a subject I can hardly resist--thinking of it, it must be the polarity between the delicate flower and the bristle look of the stems.. I wonder, what that's good for... but little do we know. 

vor 4 Stunden schrieb Tmx:

Hi Klaus,

There is no need to proceed with - a very irritating indeed - inverted files of NLP. You just need to safe them first as a tiff file - in the latest version of NLP just check the box in the bottom of the NLP window and then you can edit the files as always. It’s a good idea as well to convert the files to b&w files after the white point has been set.  Please feel free to contact me directly if you have additional comments or questions. 
 

Best regards 

Jakob

Thats very kind Jakob, I´ll try the suggested Tiff file thing and in case questions are left, I´ll call you. Thank you again. 

vor 1 Stunde schrieb Suede:

Believe it or not, it's a cat photo.   [T-Max 400]

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The cat is just performing in front of the four ( five ?) cows....cats....

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16 hours ago, christoph_d said:

Phil, 

Thank you, and I am happy I could inspire you a bit! I see film photography, films like these, lenses that flare, viewfinders that are poorly aligned and decisive moments missed, as a reflection of the theatre of life itself: multiple possibilities, some don't play out as we would like them to, but they nevertheless produce wonderful results. 

A last one from that Konica film:

CL, 40, Konica Minolta Slide film, 13 years out of date, cross developed

Talk about inspired color field! Antonioni would have opted for this Red Desert palette. And, I think it was Tacita Dean who said that "mistakes" in analog film are not mistakes but art.

10 hours ago, Kl@usW. said:

In your picture, the glow adds to the quality of the shots. 

BTW I had a new Summaron--but due to my thick fingers, too many of the resulting pics turned out digital 😁, so I sold it... of course a picture as yours inflames some sellers remorse  

We are drifting in the events of our time.. and  no art detached from these influences is imaginable.

So let me interpret the grey disturbance as a reflection of the disturbing events around us. Not a nice forecast.... 

Astute, as usual, with a charge of the electric. Forecasting is an exacting science of inexact phenomena that, in the case of weather, privileges the worst rather than the best, so we have 30% chance of rain instead of 70% chance of clear skies. It's about weather warnings we need to heed. In Forecasting, I use the exactitude of the red line (warning and dividing before and after) in contrast to the monochromatic snap shot, almost transparent in the overlay. I tried to push the narrative of exact/inexact against all the gray and move beyond meteorology into the collision of attitudes. 

You are so right about the "escape" to the natural moment of a flower, for instance. My wife has 17 rose bushes planted around the house, and the colors of the blooms are captivating. A gift, every day.

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vor 17 Stunden schrieb stray cat:

It is said that hindsight is always 20-20. I wonder, though, if foresight might not have made our very present 2020 a lot more kind? We must now, surely, use our keenest, clearest vision in the emergence from the cruel devastation and human folly that has characterized the beginning of this year. I guess we as photographers - by definition people of vision, drawers of light -  should accept some responsibility for the future direction: the lowering of the curtain on this cruel, destructive and heartless theatre of the absurd to an audience stunned into silence, motivated into being better. If history repeats, small changes will inevitably follow. But is that enough?

Phil, I suppressed my impulse to answer to this --what I feel is a call to action--immediately because it´s such a difficult question and in my opinion everybody has to find his or her position-depending on character, place in life, age,  and possibilities.  That is enough for a literally endless discussion--in which I was involved many times.   Probably the most of us can't do something that will change things immediately, but I'm very convinced that everybody of us has the possibility and duty to act friendly, civilized and empathic in even small and seemingly unimportant  matters; of course in big matters too, if possible. In the end that will have a great impact-but, as Rog said, we must endure in our resistance to the loss of civilized behavior.  Art and, and here I share Rog´s and maybe your view,  has the unique power of showing things that couldn't be expressed otherwise and is a great answer. 

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