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Ebay Noctilux scam {MERGED}

zombii

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Two things occur to me. The first is that PayPal will not normally release large funds to a new seller (and two feedbacks counts as very new) until the buyer has left positive feedback or a period of time has elapsed where no complaint has been made. I think it is usually 20 sales before the money is released automatically, but it may be more. As an example last week I bought an Olympus OM4Ti (yes I know, its not a Leica) for only £170, but the seller had 18 feedbacks so he was emailing me asking where his money was. I had to phone PayPal to confirm the camera was good and they checked the feedback I'd left and released the funds immediately. As I recall you can see if funds are pending release from the EBay and PayPal information on the sale.

 

The second thing that occurs to me is that in reality these scams may be fairly commonly attempted, but the success rate is very small indeed, yet every time an attempt is reported it turns out that everybody and his dog knows many people who have been scammed. That really is a statistical blip on a massive scale.

 

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I understand you are upset about what happened to you and I don't doubt you had an issue. You are, however, stating that if the package is delivered regardless of what is in it, that ebay will side with the seller. This is absolutely untrue, and I'm happy to wager a large sum of money that you are incorrect!

 

It sounds like you filed a "item not delivered" claim when it should have been "item not as described." INAD claims are almost impossible to defend against as a seller! If this isn't what happened to you feel free to post your experience to help the OP avoid your experience but I would feel 100% certain that the OP will get his money back. 100%, regardless of what happened in your case, if he files the claim correctly and follows the steps that are outlined by ebay.

 

Obviously this is not untrue. Now you are insinuating I'm a liar? I know what happened. I lost the money. THAT IS A FACT.

 

"sounds like" and "should have". Again. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN MY CASE. I did everything correct. The seller had a relatively long standing account for a bunch of small shit. The money was released immediately, the seller cancelled his account and eBay and PayPal didn't do jack. This was in November. Not long ago.

 

Don't tell ME what happened to ME.

 

In any case, I hope he gets his dough back, there's a good chance, but I wouldn't call it a 100% certainty.

 

I'm just lucky mine was a cheap lens I was only buying to run tests on for my website. It wasn't a huge loss.

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Two things occur to me. The first is that PayPal will not normally release large funds to a new seller (and two feedbacks counts as very new) until the buyer has left positive feedback or a period of time has elapsed where no complaint has been made. I think it is usually 20 sales before the money is released automatically, but it may be more. As an example last week I bought an Olympus OM4Ti (yes I know, its not a Leica) for only £170, but the seller had 18 feedbacks so he was emailing me asking where his money was. I had to phone PayPal to confirm the camera was good and they checked the feedback I'd left and released the funds immediately. As I recall you can see if funds are pending release from the EBay and PayPal information on the sale.

 

The second thing that occurs to me is that in reality these scams may be fairly commonly attempted, but the success rate is very small indeed, yet every time an attempt is reported it turns out that everybody and his dog knows many people who have been scammed. That really is a statistical blip on a massive scale.

 

Steve

 

PayPal will release the money when a tracking number is provided. It may be different for a large sum of money like $7K, but I made a $2500 sale and got the money released with a tracking number. I'm not sure if there's a cut-off limit or what it is.

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As I mentioned above, I've found eBay/paypal very helpful when I've had problems.

 

The important thing is to follow their procedures for filing a complaint etc., exactly, and allowing it to run its course. They came good for me both times.

 

For anyone who's interested I posted a thread on here some time ago with my advice for buying/selling on eBay to avoid such scams.

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In any case, I hope he gets his dough back, there's a good chance, but I wouldn't call it a 100% certainty.

 

Agreed. Far better to have your money in hand than to be in a position where you are asking for it back (irrespective of how reputable the company is who you are dealing with).

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Two things occur to me. The first is that PayPal will not normally release large funds to a new seller (and two feedbacks counts as very new) until the buyer has left positive feedback or a period of time has elapsed where no complaint has been made. I think it is usually 20 sales before the money is released automatically, but it may be more. As an example last week I bought an Olympus OM4Ti (yes I know, its not a Leica) for only £170, but the seller had 18 feedbacks so he was emailing me asking where his money was. I had to phone PayPal to confirm the camera was good and they checked the feedback I'd left and released the funds immediately. As I recall you can see if funds are pending release from the EBay and PayPal information on the sale.

 

The second thing that occurs to me is that in reality these scams may be fairly commonly attempted, but the success rate is very small indeed, yet every time an attempt is reported it turns out that everybody and his dog knows many people who have been scammed. That really is a statistical blip on a massive scale.

 

Steve

 

This was also my case a few years ago. I sold an item with a 2k USD value and PayPal kept the funds for two weeks. This was despite that I had a tracking number and the person had even received the item, and plus my account was not new (I had more than 40 positive transactions and no negatives.) After the buyer left feedback, they did send out the funds. But it did take a while.

 

I've personally never had issues as a buyer but I do always communicate with the seller first and try to search for some info about them via Google, etc., (using TinEye reverse image search for tracking photos can sometimes help.) It's a bit of work but I would do the same for any vendor I don't know, whether it's a brick and mortar shop or an internet business. I think one can develop a kind of intuition as to who to trust or not trust.

 

I do think you're correct that the success rate of scams overall is relatively small.

 

btw, there are some comical threads on this 'Nigerian 4-1-9' scam forum: http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=34

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Obviously this is not untrue. Now you are insinuating I'm a liar? I know what happened. I lost the money. THAT IS A FACT.

 

"sounds like" and "should have". Again. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN MY CASE. I did everything correct. The seller had a relatively long standing account for a bunch of small shit. The money was released immediately' date=' the seller cancelled his account and eBay and PayPal didn't do jack. This was in November. Not long ago.

 

Don't tell ME what happened to ME.

 

In any case, I hope he gets his dough back, there's a good chance, but I wouldn't call it a 100% certainty.

 

I'm just lucky mine was a cheap lens I was only buying to run tests on for my website. It wasn't a huge loss.[/quote']

 

LOL chill bro i am talking about the OP not you I never said you weren't telling the truth. Bye now

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I have transactions in the hundreds.

All positive. 100% positive score.

 

I have gad a few problems with sellers and buyers. All were resolved within a relatively short time frame to my satisfaction.

 

eBay (Paypal) wouldn't release funds over $1500.00 to me immediately until I had 25 positive SELLING transactions. After that is was pretty quick and simple.

 

One more common trick on the part of buyers is to receive the item and then ask for a partial refund and if they don't get it they file a claim for item not as described. Your description and photos are your best friend.

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Ryan, nice lens and obviously the source pictures for the two identical listers on eBay with different names including unfortunately the first. I hope zombii has made out o.k.

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one should just avoid sketchy auctions like this.

 

when i was 18, i got scammed buying a laptop and since then i NEVER ever buy anything that isn't sold by a reputable shop, seller, or site. I'm far too busy and with too many other things to do to have to deal with investigations, reimbursements, and scams in general. Not worth saving some $.

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Sorry you got stuck in what seems to be some kind of "pay-day loan" scam. I have have my share of them. but as as been stated above, Ebay is a pro-buyer's market and in all likelihod they will side with you and even send you a label to ship the box back to the seller. If the box doesn't come, even better. Just indicate that the item wasn't as described. I would be completely shocked if ebay didn't side with you. It may take a while, but you should most certainly prevail. It is widely understood that ebay will nearly always accept an "item not described" reason from a buyer - even in cases in which there is very little if any ambiguity.

 

If you have any questions regarding wording of your complaint to ebay, feel free to pm me.

 

Oh, and I would also make sure that you follow all the instructions in the case and then follow up with them by phone if you perceive a delay.

 

good luck

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Dudes, you should never purchase a $7000 item from a PayPal seller with zero history.

 

That's like purchasing an unseen used car and paying in advance + signing the contract before you've ever seen it and driven it.

 

Sorry, but you let yourself be fooled.

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Dudes, you should never purchase a $7000 item from a PayPal seller with zero history.

 

That's like purchasing an unseen used car and paying in advance + signing the contract before you've ever seen it and driven it.

 

Sorry, but you let yourself be fooled.

 

Well, I think I said earlier that he had 21 positives when I made the purchase. How he got that history when it was changed afterward, I wish I knew. If he'd had 0, I clearly wouldn't have done it.

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I ain't gonna lie, I would never in a million years buy something from eBay for $7000. That's a lot of goddamn money. There are enough reputable sources to purchase from. And as the old saying goes, "if it sounds to good to be true..."

 

I'm guessing that you didn't receive the lens?

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