pop Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2101 Posted June 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) (This is the fourth time i have metioned this apsc Sigma. It is quite easy to comprehend). Of course it's easy to comprehend. It may, however, not be a very appropriate comparison. The Sigma lens may be a lovely product but has mechanical issues and appears to be a subpar performer with its heavy vignetting, CA and somewhat severe distortions. Even so, it seems to use a filter size of 72mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 18, 2013 Posted June 18, 2013 Hi pop, Take a look here Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
CaptZoom Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2102 Posted June 18, 2013 Apparently (in this thread) quite a few people are confusing lens speed (aperture) with lens quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2103 Posted June 18, 2013 Apparently (in this thread) quite a few people are confusing lens speed (aperture) with lens quality. I wouldn't say that, I think people are probably implying that they would have accepted (not even noticed?) a slight drop in quality for a gain in speed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2104 Posted June 18, 2013 I wouldn't say that, I think people are probably implying that they would have accepted (not even noticed?) a slight drop in quality for a gain in speed. Fair enough. ----- On a similar note: I often end up dumbing down (my phrase for softening the image) for clients, especially ladies, because the the lens is too sharp and I want repeat business;). Subsequently I question investing in premium optics. It's such a bizarre exercise- but this is a whole different topic better addressed in other parts of this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2105 Posted June 18, 2013 Today I was able to handle one and I am not overwhelmed - the lens is imo the best part of the camera, well built, Leica-like and it is really a difference from other compacts. The camera itself, despite being built from metal, gave me a distinct plasticky tactile impression. Ergonomics are good, but I imagine most of the intended customers will shoot it on full auto and arm's length anyway. The excellent LCD is an indication in that direction. I was not able to shoot test shots, so no opinion on the images. I hope Leica will be able to get away with the pricing. Maybe they are on to something, it puts the camera out of competition with other zoom P&S cameras of admittedly smaller sensor size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2106 Posted June 18, 2013 Today I was able to handle one and I am not overwhelmed - the lens is imo the best part of the camera, well built, Leica-like and it is really a difference from other compacts. The camera itself, despite being built from metal, gave me a distinct plasticky tactile impression. Ergonomics are good, but I imagine most of the intended customers will shoot it on full auto and arm's length anyway. The excellent LCD is an indication in that direction.I was not able to shoot test shots, so no opinion on the images. I hope Leica will be able to get away with the pricing. Maybe they are on to something, it puts the camera out of competition with other zoom P&S cameras of admittedly smaller sensor size. Agreed. Aren't Leica on record saying they will not enter the sub $2000 market? (And yes $1995 counts as $2000). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2107 Posted June 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I hope Leica will be able to get away with the pricing. Maybe they are on to something, it puts the camera out of competition with other zoom P&S cameras of admittedly smaller sensor size. It seems to me that if a Leica enthusiast such as you is not motivated to buy this camera, then they may struggle to find sufficient interest elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2108 Posted June 18, 2013 I do not think this camera is aimed at Leica enthusiasts. I think it is meant for the emerging markets. I noticed in what used to be called 3rd and 2nd world countries that the general interest of the people was more aimed at point-and shoot cameras than at DSLRs and certainly not at Leica M gear. It may well be that an emerging moneyed middle class finds a prestige camera like the X-V just the thing to have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2109 Posted June 18, 2013 It seems to me that if a Leica enthusiast such as you is not motivated to buy this camera, then they may struggle to find sufficient interest elsewhere. Only if potential buyers agree with jaapv's opinion without handling the camera themselves. I've read other appraisals and in none of them were the reviewers left with the impression that the camera has or conveys a plastic tactility. Given its specs. the camera appears to offer better value for money than the X2. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2110 Posted June 18, 2013 Only if potential buyers agree with jaapv's opinion without handling the camera themselves. I've read other appraisals and in none of them were the reviewers left with the impression that the camera has or conveys a plastic tactility. Given its specs. the camera appears to offer better value for money than the X2. dunk I'm not arguing that just making an observation that few here or elsewhere seem very excited by it. That is not to say there isn't a market for it somewhere else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2111 Posted June 18, 2013 Only if potential buyers agree with jaapv's opinion without handling the camera themselves. I've read other appraisals and in none of them were the reviewers left with the impression that the camera has or conveys a plastic tactility. Given its specs. the camera appears to offer better value for money than the X2. dunk My subjective impression I agree. Maybe because I am used to the chunky M feel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2112 Posted June 18, 2013 That is not to say there isn't a market for it somewhere else. There appear to be a number of assumptions being made in this thread, the basis of which is that the camera is aimed at 'enthusiasts' - those who know something about photography (although some of the posts I've read make me wonder...). There are many people out there who know the Leica name and who will be interested in a 'quality' product from Leica but who probably don't want an 'enthusiast's' camera. Whether they are in emerging markets or not, there will be purchasers of this camera I have no doubt. I suspect that part of the furore is actually because Leica have aimed this camera not squarely at the enthusiast, but at those who want a Leica which will produce excellent images for them and which has a zoom lens. Yes there are other cameras which will also do this but they aren't German built Leicas. As a photographer I have no problem with this. I am happy with my rangefinders. I am though surprised at the amount of comment this camera has produced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2113 Posted June 18, 2013 I do not think this camera is aimed at Leica enthusiasts. I think it is meant for the emerging markets. I noticed in what used to be called 3rd and 2nd world countries that the general interest of the people was more aimed at point-and shoot cameras than at DSLRs and certainly not at Leica M gear.It may well be with an emerging moneyed middle clas finds a prestige camera like the X-V just the thing to have. It's obviously not aimed solely at diehard Barnack users but there are many Leica 'enthusiasts' who are very happy with their X1 and X2 cameras. I could name several 'Barnackers' within this forum who judging by their frequent comments would never accept any 'X' series camera - or a digital M. Each to their own ... but at least most of us have a common interest in appreciating and enjoying Leica IQ ... regardless of how others perceive our chosen Leica models. So far from the few X Vario sample images available, that IQ is not lacking - it is apparent right into the edges and corners of the frame. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruhayat Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2114 Posted June 18, 2013 I do not think this camera is aimed at Leica enthusiasts. I think it is meant for the emerging markets. I noticed in what used to be called 3rd and 2nd world countries that the general interest of the people was more aimed at point-and shoot cameras than at DSLRs and certainly not at Leica M gear.It may well be with an emerging moneyed middle clas finds a prestige camera like the X-V just the thing to have. Well, the fact that there are now two Leica gallery showrooms in different upmarket malls in Kuala Lumpur suggests you might be right about that. People are looking for something to keep in their LV / Coach bags, I guess. *one is the Leica official store, the other run by a long-time Leica dealer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aballard Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2115 Posted June 18, 2013 Just wanted to say that I received a real copy of it last night and definitely don't feel that it was anywhere near "plastic-feeling. It's feels substantial, very solid and extremely well-built, unlike the feeling sometimes with the X-2 which I also have, but will be selling. Took some shots indoors last night and the iso capacity plus the clarity of the lens seems almost to defy the obvious limits posed by the specifications of the lens. Will take some outdoor shots today and if I figure a way out to post the pictures will do so later. Right now, I love this camera--particularly when you put the simplicity and clarity of its control system up against the complexities of an RX-1 menu or the various and diverse Fuji controls. This camera is really a thing of beauty and needs to be tried to be believed. Just the opinion of a rank amateur compared to most of you fellows here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2116 Posted June 18, 2013 Congratulations on your new camera. I'm sure you will love it. As I said, my personal and subjective feeling, others differ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2117 Posted June 18, 2013 Congratulations on your new camera. I'm sure you will love it. As I said, my personal and subjective feeling, others differ. I had the same impression as Jaap. I don't have an X camera, so my perspective is using M cameras and holding an RX-1 in my hand. My guess is that owners will love this camera, and it will be very good. The issue is that it is not what we were expecting (from Leica's teaser show) and its not what some of us have been hoping for and asking for for some time. So, there's a high level of disappointment. While the image quality seems very good (X owners say the same thing about there cameras) and the user interface excellent, it's not a camera which holds any interest for me. I don't want another APS-C camera, I don't want the compromises that come with a zoom (unless its one of the fabulous R zooms), and I'd like to be able to use my M lenses. Cheers John Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam2000 Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2118 Posted June 18, 2013 I have put some sample pictures of the X Vario http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/288827-leica-x-vario-photos.html#post2431003 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/288827-leica-x-vario-photos.html#post2432536 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/other/288827-leica-x-vario-photos.html#post2433227 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2119 Posted June 18, 2013 Review: Leica X Vario Defies Naysayers with Impressive Optics It becomes clearer and clearer that this little camera simply produces images with amazing quality from corner to corner, - and what a lovely color rendition! Maybe Leica, with this camera, also has formed the basis for a future FF, EVIL, X-maxi? Then, perhaps it might be an arrangement with some big heavy brighter zooms, too.;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter L Posted June 18, 2013 Share #2120 Posted June 18, 2013 Just wanted to say that I received a real copy of it last night and definitely don't feel that it was anywhere near "plastic-feeling. It's feels substantial, very solid and extremely well-built, unlike the feeling sometimes with the X-2 which I also have, but will be selling. Took some shots indoors last night and the iso capacity plus the clarity of the lens seems almost to defy the obvious limits posed by the specifications of the lens. Will take some outdoor shots today and if I figure a way out to post the pictures will do so later. Right now, I love this camera--particularly when you put the simplicity and clarity of its control system up against the complexities of an RX-1 menu or the various and diverse Fuji controls. This camera is really a thing of beauty and needs to be tried to be believed. Just the opinion of a rank amateur compared to most of you fellows here! Congratulations with your Leica Vario X, a very fine camera indeed. This camera likes fast SD cards, it was somewhat slow with a regular sd card, I bought a 16 Gb Scandisk extreme 95 mb/s, now the camera is fast. I also enjoy the simplicity of the controls and layout, it is as though this camera is designed for photographers :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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