Thomv Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1221 Posted June 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Or......? http://shop.panasonic.com/images/product/2013/dmc-gf6kk/GF6k_top_H_FS1442A-700.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 5, 2013 Posted June 5, 2013 Hi Thomv, Take a look here Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
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douglasf13 Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1223 Posted June 5, 2013 If you look at RX1 construction you will see that the lens extends through most of the body. In addition there is no inbuilt EVF, which I love as there is a "small" option, but gets panned here. lets wait and see the size of the Nex 9. I've turned the corner on this, too, and I like that the camera is modular. Plus, there's potential for Sony to release better EVFs in the future. When you look at a NEX camera, the sensor is about half way back into the camera, and the sensor of the RX1 is near the back. I'd imagine a FF NEX to be closer to the M240 in thickness, if it has a tilt screen. If not, maybe a bit thinner than the M240. As far as lenses, yes, they'll be pretty large compared to the RX1's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lincoln_m Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1224 Posted June 5, 2013 The mini M doesn't have a view finder so no rangefinder and is therefore not an M. It seems to be an X2 with interchangeable lenses so much like the Pen but with APS-C sensor. It probably won't have the M mount or may need an adapter for M lenses. Just a guess. Lincoln Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCL999 Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1225 Posted June 6, 2013 … but as the “M” in “Leica M” stands for “Messsucher” (Rangefinder), removing the rangefinder would be sort of … well. Weird? Hrm. Marketing people have short memories. IBM named their System/360 equating its all-round applicability to the 360 degrees in a circle. Some years later it was upgraded to System/370. The circle got bigger? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1226 Posted June 6, 2013 … but as the “M” in “Leica M” stands for “Messsucher” (Rangefinder), removing the rangefinder would be sort of … well. Weird?... A replacement to M = Messsucher has been found by Leica already: M = Mirrorless, which explains why we've got those ridiculous "Mini M", "Micro M" and "Nano M" in the last Leica ad campaign. Bad omen IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1227 Posted June 6, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The mini M doesn't have a view finder so no rangefinder and is therefore not an M. Let's not forget the M1: no rangefinder and the MD,MD-2 : not even a viewfinder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgmb Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1228 Posted June 6, 2013 After reading this entire thread and considering all the points of view, here is my two cents. My photoshop fake below takes that other photoshop fake one step further by proposing the idea of an X-EVIL. Such a camera would not cannibalize the existing M market but rather fill the large hole in their product line by entering the very popular and growing mirrorless interchangeable APS market represented by Sony NEX and Fuji X. The current X2 body is very close in size to the NEX 7. It was pointed out earlier in this thread ( http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/285598-mini-m-52.html#post2416030 ) that CMOSiS may already have a "Mini" sensor, which if it is APS-C (or H) could conceivably retain a 24MP resolution to compete with the NEX 7. Plus it has been rumored that Leica has been working on an EVIL camera for quite some time, even dropping hints that it would be "at least APS-C size" If not FF, could the X be a possible platform? By adding a new interchangeable AF lens line, as many have suggested, Leica can appeal to a much larger customer base that will never consider manual focus lenses or RF cameras. Although my suggested price is much higher than competing APS models, many will choose Leica for superior optics and build quality. For $1,500 more than the X2, you get a higher resolution sensor and built-in EVF. A new X series of compact AF lenses would be optimized for digital sensors (like the new Zeiss Touit AF line for APS) and be similar in quality and price to existing Summarit-M lenses, without cannibalizing the premium M line. This camera system could grow Leica's marketshare and help them to achieve their 1% goal. The M family (M, MM, and M-E) remains FF with top-of-the-line lenses and RF. An X-EVIL would offer existing M owners an affordable second body to mount their M lenses on. If Leica made an adaptor similar to the Speedbooster, M and R lenses could retain their focal length and gain a stop, alleviating the crop factor. The X-EVIL also provides an alternative to M for those who want a lightweight compact body able to take any Leica lens, including AF. Not really expecting such a camera next week, but I hope Leica has something similar in their pipeline. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205247-mini-m-merged-aka-x-vario/?do=findComment&comment=2340375'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1229 Posted June 6, 2013 New line of lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1230 Posted June 6, 2013 So to what part of the forum will Mini M discussion belong once it's announced? M or X? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1231 Posted June 6, 2013 Umm... seriously guys, 62 pages for a camera that one can find, if you search for it in google? Edit: obviously they are gonna call it Mini M-E Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205247-mini-m-merged-aka-x-vario/?do=findComment&comment=2340418'>More sharing options...
LVSBB6 Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1232 Posted June 6, 2013 The actual name of the Mini M will be Leica X Vario Type 107. All of the initial rumors were true, here are the detailed specifications: 16.5MP APS-C sensor Leica Vario Elmar 1:3.5-6.4/18-46mm ASPH lens (28-70mm equivalent): 9 elements in 8 groups, 2 ASPH elements Minimal focusing distance: 30cm ISO range: 100-12,500 Max shutter speed: 1/2000s 3" TFT LCD with 921k dots Full HD video Built-in flash Price: around 3000 EUR Additional accessories will include grip, lens hood, external EVF, several different cases Adobe Lightroom will be included Battery capacity: 360 exposures Dimensions: 133 x 73 x 95mm Weight: 679g - around 24oz (with batteries) Price: around 2,500 EUR Made in Germany Read more on LeicaRumors.com: Leica X Vario Type 107 detailed specifications | Leica News & Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Flores Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1233 Posted June 6, 2013 The actual name of the Mini M will be Leica X Vario Type 107. All of the initial rumors were true, here are the detailed specifications: 16.5MP APS-C sensor Leica Vario Elmar 1:3.5-6.4/18-46mm ASPH lens (28-70mm equivalent): 9 elements in 8 groups, 2 ASPH elements Minimal focusing distance: 30cm ISO range: 100-12,500 Max shutter speed: 1/2000s 3" TFT LCD with 921k dots Full HD video Built-in flash Price: around 3000 EUR Additional accessories will include grip, lens hood, external EVF, several different cases Adobe Lightroom will be included Battery capacity: 360 exposures Dimensions: 133 x 73 x 95mm Weight: 679g - around 24oz (with batteries) Price: around 2,500 EUR Made in Germany Read more on LeicaRumors.com: Leica X Vario Type 107 detailed specifications | Leica News & Rumors How do you know... do you work for Leica? I read the post and I'm sure LR has their "sources" but still not buying that he "knows" or that they'd hype up a camera like this. Surest way to never have any such marketing campaign ever be taken seriously again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1234 Posted June 6, 2013 The actual name of the Mini M will be Leica X Vario Type 107. All of the initial rumors were true, here are the detailed specifications: Read more on LeicaRumors.com: Leica X Vario Type 107 detailed specifications | Leica News & Rumors I dont buy this. I think they are wrong. for a start they list two different prices in the same list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Flores Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1235 Posted June 6, 2013 I dont buy this. I think they are wrong.for a start they list two different prices in the same list. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I too don't think Leica would be this oblivious or audacious enough to create a viral marketing campaign around THIS camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Flores Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1236 Posted June 6, 2013 After reading this entire thread and considering all the points of view, here is my two cents. My photoshop fake below takes that other photoshop fake one step further by proposing the idea of an X-EVIL. Such a camera would not cannibalize the existing M market but rather fill the large hole in their product line by entering the very popular and growing mirrorless interchangeable APS market represented by Sony NEX and Fuji X. The current X2 body is very close in size to the NEX 7. It was pointed out earlier in this thread ( http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/285598-mini-m-52.html#post2416030 ) that CMOSiS may already have a "Mini" sensor, which if it is APS-C (or H) could conceivably retain a 24MP resolution to compete with the NEX 7. Plus it has been rumored that Leica has been working on an EVIL camera for quite some time, even dropping hints that it would be "at least APS-C size" If not FF, could the X be a possible platform? By adding a new interchangeable AF lens line, as many have suggested, Leica can appeal to a much larger customer base that will never consider manual focus lenses or RF cameras. Although my suggested price is much higher than competing APS models, many will choose Leica for superior optics and build quality. For $1,500 more than the X2, you get a higher resolution sensor and built-in EVF. A new X series of compact AF lenses would be optimized for digital sensors (like the new Zeiss Touit AF line for APS) and be similar in quality and price to existing Summarit-M lenses, without cannibalizing the premium M line. This camera system could grow Leica's marketshare and help them to achieve their 1% goal. The M family (M, MM, and M-E) remains FF with top-of-the-line lenses and RF. An X-EVIL would offer existing M owners an affordable second body to mount their M lenses on. If Leica made an adaptor similar to the Speedbooster, M and R lenses could retain their focal length and gain a stop, alleviating the crop factor. The X-EVIL also provides an alternative to M for those who want a lightweight compact body able to take any Leica lens, including AF. Not really expecting such a camera next week, but I hope Leica has something similar in their pipeline. If this was apsh it would be very tempting, even at the high price point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wok64 Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1237 Posted June 6, 2013 Good morning, did someone realize the beautiful weather outside? Pick your cameras, go out shooting and come back on Tuesday when you´ll know the facts. That´s exactly what I´ll do now. Wolfgang Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1238 Posted June 6, 2013 1237 posts so far. Is that more than the buffer can handle and will this thread hang? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1239 Posted June 6, 2013 Good morning, did someone realize the beautiful weather outside? Pick your cameras, go out shooting and come back on Tuesday when you´ll know the facts. That´s exactly what I´ll do now. Wolfgang This forum is about cameras not photos, don't you know ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannybuoy Posted June 6, 2013 Share #1240 Posted June 6, 2013 Good morning, did someone realize the beautiful weather outside? Pick your cameras, go out shooting and come back on Tuesday when you´ll know the facts. That´s exactly what I´ll do now. Wolfgang That's fine. But is it ok with you if we read the Internet and take photos? I might actually do other stuff too. People can do more than on thing in a day you know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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