leohong Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1201 Posted June 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maybe a black and white only mini MM? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1202 Posted June 5, 2013 Maybe, I think it's too early in the game to tell what the average punter wants. Have a look on flickr - DOF is one of the most desirable features. Wether that's a fad or not is yet to be discovered, but I doubt that. It's a big deal and a selling point. Even compacts these days have this selling point as a priority. Greater "Background blur". It's more professional don't you know? lol Also, Larger sensors have smoother tonal gradations and generally better colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1203 Posted June 5, 2013 Also, just a thought, some people swore that you would never see a full frame compact because it was impossible to make. Yet it has been done and very well too. I can't be sure the RX1 is the absolute limit of size. I bet things get even smaller in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1204 Posted June 5, 2013 Also, just a thought, some people swore that you would never see a full frame compact because it was impossible to make. Yet it has been done and very well too. I can't be sure the RX1 is the absolute limit of size. I bet things get even smaller in time. no, physics sets the limit for lens size. In addition, remember Leica M lenses have no AF, thats major bulk which has a size limit and also weight. Also no way the Leica M lens construction can be rotated by an internal motor for AF, it would need to be plasticised internally, if not externally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SUMOLUX Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1205 Posted June 5, 2013 It is indeed about cannibalization ....... That depends... It would only be cannibalisation if the new camera has interchangeable lenses. What the other writers are (correctly, in my view) inferring is that you might as well use the same full sensor as the M 240 (larger numbers used = lower production price) to get the investment back. I will also bet a few beers on the Mini being full frame, fixed lens for that very reason By using a fixed lens with there is no cannibalisation of sales of M 240 - none, because IF the above is the case, the M 240 and Mini are apples and pears.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1206 Posted June 5, 2013 Have a look on flickr - DOF is one of the most desirable features. Wether that's a fad or not is yet to be discovered, . not sure I agree - even though it is with me most people want overall clarity in any event, you can get pretty amazing thin DOF with APS-C just by moving closer to the subject and increasing focal length. sometimes we hardened enthusiastics live in a bubble Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1207 Posted June 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) no, physics sets the limit for lens size.In addition, remember Leica M lenses have no AF, thats major bulk which has a size limit and also weight. Also no way the Leica M lens construction can be rotated by an internal motor for AF, it would need to be plasticised internally, if not externally. I'm not talking lens size. I'm talking body size and overall package footprint. People said it wouldn't be done. The RX1 is remarkably small and it's incredible what they've created there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1208 Posted June 5, 2013 not sure I agree - even though it is with me most people want overall clarity in any event, you can get pretty amazing thin DOF with APS-C just by moving closer to the subject and increasing focal length. sometimes we hardened enthusiastics live in a bubble I agree in a sense, as I said, I'm not the average punter. So I don't know for sure in that regard. But "background blur" is something that is advertised on telly with compacts these days. It's a sellable feature. We'll see in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1209 Posted June 5, 2013 I'm not talking lens size. I'm talking body size and overall package footprint. People said it wouldn't be done. The RX1 is remarkably small and it's incredible what they've created there. If they had used an f2.8 lens then it would have been possible to shrink it further, e.g., like an Olympus XA film camera. Given excellent high ISO performance, I'm not sure that the bulk of an f2.0 lens is worth it in a compact camera. I'm not sure what Leica are doing wasting their time on this Mini M model. What I would like to see is a fixed lens digital CM with full frame sensor and built in optical viewfinder. The RX1 demonstrates that this is possible. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1210 Posted June 5, 2013 I'm not talking lens size. I'm talking body size and overall package footprint. People said it wouldn't be done. The RX1 is remarkably small and it's incredible what they've created there. If you look at RX1 construction you will see that the lens extends through most of the body. In addition there is no inbuilt EVF, which I love as there is a "small" option, but gets panned here. lets wait and see the size of the Nex 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1211 Posted June 5, 2013 Maybe a black and white only mini MM? CMOSIS do make monochrome sensors dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1212 Posted June 5, 2013 I agree... why WRITING "larger than usual", to end up with an APS-C sensor ? It would be a stupid statement... apart the P&S Panas, they don't make smaller than APS-C cameras; after wandering in disparate directions... ... today I'd bet for APS-H fixed zoom embedded EVF... ready to change my mind in the next 8 hours... This is marketing land, baby! Rah Rah Rah. It's make believe to make your mind wander and get excited. The more you think about something the more you bring it into your life and more likely make room for it and find a need for it. A stupid place where stupid statements mean more stupid buzz, for want of a better word. I have zero interest in this camera yet I'm still painfully here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1213 Posted June 5, 2013 That depends...It would only be cannibalisation if the new camera has interchangeable lenses.... Agreed of course but what about the size and slowness of a FF fixed zoom on a so-called "mini" camera? And at what price? Or do you think Leica would take the risk to sell a FF fixed prime a la RX1 to compete with Sony? At what price again? Zero chance if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Martin Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1214 Posted June 5, 2013 CMOSIS do make monochrome sensors dunk Yes please Mini Monochrom . With a fixed 35mm prime lens. I'm sure a lot of contributors on here would be interested ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iedei Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1215 Posted June 5, 2013 ^^^^now THAT i would 100% be buying. damn you people and your speculations. i vowed not to check this thread again and i succumbed again! lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1216 Posted June 5, 2013 Yes please Mini Monochrom . With a fixed 35mm prime lens. I'm sure a lot of contributors on here would be interested ? What about a 35mm format 70 megapixel sensor ... but with monochrome configuration Standard Products - CMOSIS dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1217 Posted June 5, 2013 The impression I have from the sneak previews (m-peek show) is a non-m bayonet camera, with a vario-zoom lens. So nonM to me. I guess at the end of this year I will have a Nex 6/7.. . With a simple and effective bayonet converter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toshack10 Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1218 Posted June 5, 2013 Perhaps it's a Digilux2 - same as the old one but with all new insides.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX400 Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1219 Posted June 5, 2013 Perhaps it's a Digilux2 - same as the old one but with all new insides.... Honestly, when I found out about the old Panasonic version of the digilux I had no idea at the time that it was a discontinued camera. I got excited to see the size and phase-detect AF sensor, and despite the zoom lens I thought it would make a fine Leica. Then I discovered the digilux 2! I had no idea! To me—externally—this camera represents a lot of design solutions and good thinking. It answers a lot of design questions about digital fixed lens cameras with settings-painted-on tactile controls, and now with APS-C and format size becoming the key differentiator between compact cameras and phones, 2013 seems to be be a perfect time to reboot this style of camera. Despite all the enthusiasts represented here, my guess is that this new camera will not be a super-serious tool or the indulgent shooting experience that the M is delivered on a smaller scale. I think perhaps to a lesser extent than the x2—which from talking to Leica people is intended to be a fun camera harkening back to the size and form of the III series—the new camera will be a fun luxury-market vacation camera like previous film iterations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomv Posted June 5, 2013 Share #1220 Posted June 5, 2013 What about an 18 x 27 mm sensor in combination with a D-Lux 6 Vario Summilux 1.4 - 2.3 type lens, but suitable for this sensor size? And of course the EVF and Leica M style menu's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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