iedei Posted April 30, 2013 Share #21 Posted April 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) lol @ steve huff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 30, 2013 Posted April 30, 2013 Hi iedei, Take a look here So Huff's sold his 240 then. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
blueweed Posted April 30, 2013 Share #22 Posted April 30, 2013 sold off my M as well. Imo, it feels like in beta stage and I shall revisit it in a year. Dont miss M, though Leica lens are still an object of beauty and 'pure density', those I will never part with. Have my D4, Rx1, GXR M mount for now, and waiting to rent a MM this summer for a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted April 30, 2013 Share #23 Posted April 30, 2013 I have been following the M240 debate and the Huff blog etc. for a while now. I had an M on order and passed on mine for the time being. Instead I was able to demo one for a weekend, and here are my two cents: it is a nice camera that needs some updates. When the M8 came out, it left a magical impression on me and it was to this date the camera that got me the most excited about photography and did the most to improve my personal style. The M9 was a logical upgrade with its full-frame sensor, but in terms of excitement just a continuation of the M8. After trying out an M9 for a few days, I knew that the upgrade was a no-brainer. After trying the M for a while, I was left feeling that the camera is ... nice. Out of 200 photographs, half of them in Hollywood at night on Auto ISO, only about five of them were taken at ISO 1250 and above. All in all I felt like I could maybe wait another generation until I upgrade. I may change my mind, but I just don't feel that compelling "need to have it." Now, when I think about it, this is not because the M isn't a great camera, but because the M9 is a great camera too, and I am just not willing to let go off it for a bargain price on the used market. So unless I need a second camera, I don't think I will rush off to buy an M right now. Since people here seem to love/hate Porsche analogies: I realized my M9 might just be the last air-cooled Porsche, and even though the new ones are faster, I just like that it is a little rough around the edges. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
beewee Posted April 30, 2013 Share #24 Posted April 30, 2013 I gave up reading Steve's reviews about a year ago. In my mind at least, it's hard to be objective when there are alterior motives and money (aka. click throughs) are at stake. Over the past few years his purchase, sale, repurchase of equipment seems quite schizophrenic to say the least but it's hard to give early reviews of new gear if the camera industry isn't on your side to provide loaners prior to release. It's not entirely surprising to see gear being purchased for the sole purpose of a review then sold at a loss. As this is a business, he can just write it off as an expense. Though I don't own the new M, I've played with it a twice. Once prior to it being shipped and another time more recenlty when it finally started shipping with production firmware. The interface has improved slightly and the focus peaking has improved a bit but at its core, it's still an M. Which is to say, it's one of a handful of digital rangefinders that accept what are quite possibly the best optics that money can buy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted April 30, 2013 Share #25 Posted April 30, 2013 I guess with any upgrade there must be a WOW factor. As an analogy look at TV evolution. Black and white to color - WOW Color to flat screen - WOW Plasma to LCD - OK LCD - LED - OLED - mmm Thin - thinner - no frame - huh I guess with cameras now, the incremental features in each generation is only compelling to a minority. It's the same with all brands and not Leica alone. In the end its what the human eye can see and discern, and the wallet justifies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted April 30, 2013 Share #26 Posted April 30, 2013 He used so many words describing his decision precisely because he knew there would be plenty of discussions about it on the net. Still doesn't seem to have prevented it... (and of course he has to write about things as that is his profession). Steve took a very logic decision which has more to do with the quality of the MM rather than the M. Especially as he also owns a bunch of other color digital cameras, the choice of keeping the MM is an easy one, if you like to shoot B/W. Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted April 30, 2013 Share #27 Posted April 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) No, that’s not the point at all. It is not about Steve Huff daring to contradict the enthusiasm of those who have bought an M, it is about him contradicting his own enthusiasm. To quote from his review (The Leica M 240 Real World Camera Review 2013 by Steve Huff and yes, the text was set in bold on his website): Now of course this exuberant display of enthusiasm did have a hollow ring and I have never taken it seriously, so I couldn’t say I was shocked to learn he has decided to ditch the camera. And this is in some way different to his other reviews? Context is everything, but there is a world of difference between contradicting a view and priorities born of necessity. But if he had sold his kid instead of his Leica M we wouldn't have this thread would we! The lynch mob have sniffed the air and sensed somebody who isn't the same as them, he put other things (and other camera's) ahead of his Leica M. Maybe he did it in the in the cold light of day, once the adrenalin has worn off but while everybody else is still basking in the glow. I think it is everybody's perogative in a free world to change their mind, especially if it puts his wife and kids first. But of course he is more than just a bloke with a blog to a lot of people, 'photographers' look to him to confirm their prejudices, in this case their justification in buying a Leica M. He did a great review of it, but we now find the camera wasn't so great in his own mind, not enough that it would make him sell something else instead. 'So what?' we might normally say, but he broke the trust born of prejudice, the confirmation went from 'best camera in the world' right down to 'he can live without it'. And because he didn't want to take it to bed at night (anymore) we get threads like this. Fetch the rope pappy, there's gonna be a hanging. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted April 30, 2013 Share #28 Posted April 30, 2013 And this is in some way different to his other reviews? Context is everything, but there is a world of difference between contradicting a view and priorities born of necessity. But if he had sold his kid instead of his Leica M we wouldn't have this thread would we! The lynch mob have sniffed the air and sensed somebody who isn't the same as them, he put other things (and other camera's) ahead of his Leica M. Maybe he did it in the in the cold light of day, once the adrenalin has worn off but while everybody else is still basking in the glow. I think it is everybody's perogative in a free world to change their mind, especially if it puts his wife and kids first. But of course he is more than just a bloke with a blog to a lot of people, 'photographers' look to him to confirm their prejudices, in this case their justification in buying a Leica M. He did a great review of it, but we now find the camera wasn't so great in his own mind, not enough that it would make him sell something else instead. 'So what?' we might normally say, but he broke the trust born of prejudice, the confirmation went from 'best camera in the world' right down to 'he can live without it'. And because he didn't want to take it to bed at night (anymore) we get threads like this. Fetch the rope pappy, there's gonna be a hanging. Steve Steve. Thank you. Very refreshing and open minded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted April 30, 2013 Share #29 Posted April 30, 2013 He has just done a review of the Fuji 100s and the Sony RX1, probably he's realised they are just as good But for the fraction of the price of a Leica M. Played with the Fuji 100s the other day, simply a gorgeous camera. Ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwbell Posted April 30, 2013 Share #30 Posted April 30, 2013 ...Now of course this exuberant display of enthusiasm did have a hollow ring and I have never taken it seriously... This just makes my mind spin Michael. People (myself included) say that of your magazine. I can't help feeling there's an element of double standards going on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted April 30, 2013 Share #31 Posted April 30, 2013 I daresay he has just made sure he doesn't get offered a beta-test of the next M.... Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted April 30, 2013 Share #32 Posted April 30, 2013 This just makes my mind spin Michael. People (myself included) say that of your magazine. Honestly I don’t remember having ever been accused of being overly enthusiastic about cameras (of any brand). It’s just not my style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted April 30, 2013 Share #33 Posted April 30, 2013 And this is in some way different to his other reviews? No, I don’t think so. Which proves exactly what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macpants Posted April 30, 2013 Share #34 Posted April 30, 2013 No one seems to have taken into consideration how difficult a decision this was for him. He states several times that, in an ideal world, he would LOVE to keep both. I think he puts himself out to get these cameras (which, as he states, he pays for himself) and bring us real world reviews. Whether you like his reviews or not, there are not many people doing this (not Leica gear anyway). Not everyone has pockets deep enough to continually buy Leica's and keep them all. I have to sell my M9P to get an M - It doesn't mean the M9P is a bad camera; far from it. I wish him luck and hope he carries on doing what he does. Lee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPB Posted April 30, 2013 Share #35 Posted April 30, 2013 I guess with any upgrade there must be a WOW factor. ...... I guess with cameras now, the incremental features in each generation is only compelling to a minority. It's the same with all brands and not Leica alone. Good point. Exactly what made me cancel my order for the M. My M9-P does the job perfectly for me. For me the WOWs of the M are to few to allow for spending money on a further camera. I would keep the M9-P anyway. I'm also pretty sure that those "incremental features" will change in the near future. Pixel count will increase (oversampling) and I think we will see completely new types of sensors within 1-2 years. The industry needs to get out of the dead end road; and will. So, at least for me, no reason for spending money. I'll be patient and wait 1-2 years and let me be surprised. YMMV. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo101 Posted April 30, 2013 Share #36 Posted April 30, 2013 For color shots, the 240 is easily replaceable by other cameras, instead for BW the MM does not have opponents. It is the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfunnell Posted April 30, 2013 Share #37 Posted April 30, 2013 I have today cancelled my order for the M and instead decided to get the MM. I was very keen on getting the M but I decided that the M9 is a fine camera and that it would be better to have an MM and keep the M9 . I will skip a generation and wait for the next one . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted April 30, 2013 Author Share #38 Posted April 30, 2013 And this is in some way different to his other reviews? Context is everything, but there is a world of difference between contradicting a view and priorities born of necessity. But if he had sold his kid instead of his Leica M we wouldn't have this thread would we! The lynch mob have sniffed the air and sensed somebody who isn't the same as them, he put other things (and other camera's) ahead of his Leica M. Maybe he did it in the in the cold light of day, once the adrenalin has worn off but while everybody else is still basking in the glow. I think it is everybody's perogative in a free world to change their mind, especially if it puts his wife and kids first. But of course he is more than just a bloke with a blog to a lot of people, 'photographers' look to him to confirm their prejudices, in this case their justification in buying a Leica M. He did a great review of it, but we now find the camera wasn't so great in his own mind, not enough that it would make him sell something else instead. 'So what?' we might normally say, but he broke the trust born of prejudice, the confirmation went from 'best camera in the world' right down to 'he can live without it'. And because he didn't want to take it to bed at night (anymore) we get threads like this. Fetch the rope pappy, there's gonna be a hanging. Steve I suspect he might have kept his old 27" iMaC before selling one of his offspring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted April 30, 2013 Share #39 Posted April 30, 2013 No, I don’t think so. Which proves exactly what? That you pay no attention to context. You seem to be disappointed that he is always enthusiastic. But his enthusiastic style is because he always reviews camera's he is pre disposed to like. As such he doesn't tend go in for camera's where he is going to find much fault. For instance you wouldn't normally go to him for reviews of DSLR's would you. So how would that be different to any camera enthusiast and their feelings for the camera system they prefer? If he reviews an m4/3, or an NEX, or an M, there is an essential DNA running through his choices, which is bound to be reflected in the outcome. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted April 30, 2013 Share #40 Posted April 30, 2013 I suspect he might have kept his old 27" iMaC before selling one of his offspring. I suppose you imagine Jeremy Clarkson buys every car he says he likes, ......and then keeps them all No other reviewers have their integrity impugned like is being done here. It would get you some funny looks if you said out loud in public that it offends your sensibilities, and you think he should have stopped his son going on a trip rather than sell a camera. It is his life, his choice, but the nature of the internet is that things are said that don't make much sense in real life, it is a fantasy world. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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