IWC Doppel Posted April 29, 2013 Share #21  Posted April 29, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) The hood's number is 12466, fitting the 28mm Summicron and the pre-asph 28mm Elmarit as well as the 35mm Summilux asph (pre FLE). You may find some information about it here: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/181344-leica-12589-vs-12466-replacement-hood.html#post1699571  P.S.: I am still waiting for the cheque (check) from Leica for doing so much advertising for a simple but extremely expensive though very well thought out hood.  You might be waiting a while I ordered one two months ago....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 29, 2013 Posted April 29, 2013 Hi IWC Doppel, Take a look here 28mm Elmarit to Summicron - Worth the upgrade ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Peter H Posted April 29, 2013 Share #22 Â Posted April 29, 2013 I do love the 12466 metal hood in my photo, but the plastic hood does have an advantage if you are brave enough to use the camera in the rain, because of the ease of attaching the lens cap which then gives very good and rapid protection to the front element, which is less easily achieved with the metal hood. Â I use the plastic one when the rain is heavy up here, (the camera doesn't seem to mind!) but most of the time I much prefer the lighter and smaller and altogether more elegant and unobtrusive yet very effective metal hood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted April 29, 2013 Share #23  Posted April 29, 2013 The Summicron-M 28 mm Asph may be (slightly) better than the (older) Elmarit-M 28 mm but is not better than the (current) Elmarit-M 28 mm Asph. Both of the current 28 mm M lenses are excellent performers. The difference basically is just max. aperture, size, weight, and cost. Well, and some, uh, character. So by switching you won't gain any sharpness; you'd just gain one stop of lens speed and lose some lightness/compactness. Whether you like the rendition of the Summicron Asph better than the Elmarit Asph's or not is just a matter of taste; both are fine and have their place (that's why k-hawinkler generously suggests having both ).  Though I do not own either, I have tested both and the 28 Elmarit M (type IV). I really like the rendition of the Summicron. The 28 Elmarit M photos looked to be 95% of the Summicron's look while the 28 Elmarit ASPH had a slightly different rendition - at least at F 2.8 - F4.  The 28/2.8 M and the 28 Summicron were about the same size and weight and both felt wonderful on the camera. I would have purchased the 28 M had someone not already placed a deposit on it and did not have enough cash in my wallet for the Summicron. I handed all three back and decided to wait for a perfect 28 M to show up. I've been waiting 6 years now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 30, 2013 Share #24 Â Posted April 30, 2013 I've been waiting 6 years now. Â Â Â All those photographs you've missed whilst waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted April 30, 2013 Share #25  Posted April 30, 2013 Go on, you know you want to... [ATTACH]373991[/ATTACH]   I have this outrageously expensive but lovely hood and use it most of the time on my 28 Summicron.  My only issue though is that the locking ring of the hood and the aperture ring of the lens are very close to each other so that the locking ring can get in the way when I'm adjusting the aperture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted April 30, 2013 Share #26 Â Posted April 30, 2013 Â Â All those photographs you've missed whilst waiting. Â Nah. I just use my 35 Summicron and take two or three steps back. The only time the steps are a problem is when I'm shooting out on the lava flows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted April 30, 2013 Share #27  Posted April 30, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration)  My only issue though is that the locking ring of the hood and the aperture ring of the lens are very close to each other so that the locking ring can get in the way when I'm adjusting the aperture.  Unfortunately that's also the issue with the other less expensive option, the 12589 Leica Lens Hood for 35mm f/1.4 Aspherical 12589 B&H Photo Video  I don't think there's yet a perfect answer to the Frankenhood of the 28mm Summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted April 30, 2013 Share #28 Â Posted April 30, 2013 Having used the metal hood for a couple of years now I'm so used to it that it presents no problem whatsoever. My fingers move the aperture ring as easily and intuitively as with any other lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted May 1, 2013 Share #29 Â Posted May 1, 2013 The cheap compatible Contax GG1 metal hood is very compact. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-lenses/279639-lenshood-not-centered.html#post2372078 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stein K S Posted June 24, 2013 Share #30  Posted June 24, 2013 Go on, you know you want to... Yes, indeed... except I keep the lens in silver... and with exactly the 12466 hood... An even more desireable package or.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
malsop Posted June 24, 2013 Share #31  Posted June 24, 2013 I understand the Summicron is supposed to be better optically and not only just a stop faster.  I have both lenses, purchase new in the last 2 years, both with 6-bit coding.  In testing my copies of these lenses I found…  At extreme corners the Summicron reaches max sharpness at f/4, the Elmarit at f/5.6, both are equivalent at f/5.6, neither improve at smaller apertures but there isn't really much room for improvement anyway.  At the edge, middle of the long axis, the situation is about the same. The Summicron may reach max sharpness between f/4 and f/5.6.  At the center there is an additional factor: Focus Shift.  The Elmarit exhibits NO detectable focus shift problem. It is sharp at f/2.8 and only begins to get soft when diffraction become noticeable at smaller apertures.  The Summicron (or at least my copy) at f/2 is not quite at sharp on center as the Elmarit at f/2.8.  The Summicron focus shifts at f/2.8, f/4, f/5.6 so is not quite as sharp as at f/2. By f/8 it is as sharp on center as it is at f/2. I've tested this on both a M9-P and a new M (Typ 240) with the same results both times.  The sharpness on center at maximum aperture between the two lenses is hard to detect unless viewed at 2x in Photoshop. The Summicron's focus shift can be detected at 100%.  I think the biggest difference between the lenses is in contrast. The Elmarit has more micro contrast than the Summicron, which works well for landscapes with lots of DOF. That might not be so desirable for portraits.  I intend to keep both of these lenses! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smb Posted June 24, 2013 Share #32 Â Posted June 24, 2013 IMHO both are exceptionally good lenses. Ask yourself what is the purpose of shooting with a 28mm lens and, then, secondly, what is the need for an f2.0? Personally, I am never happy going below f4.0. For me the 28mm is more of a landscape, cityscape lens where f2.8 will not provide enough depth of field. So when choosing to the use of an Elmarit v. Summicron consider your purposes and how often you will want to go to f2.0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran D Posted June 25, 2013 Share #33 Â Posted June 25, 2013 Thanks for this thread. I'm new to both Leica and to this forum. Â I've been shooting my M-E with a Zeiss 50mm Planar and 35mm Biogen and decided to get a 28mm. Because my budget is a factor, I chose not to go with the Summicron. I considered the much less expensive Zeiss 28mm, but I really wanted a Leica lens this time around. So, I ordered the Elmarit, which arrives tomorrow. Â Malsop posted that the Elmarit has more micro contrast than the Summicron, so I assume that this aspect of the Elmarit might be more like my Zeiss lenses than a more "typical" Leica lens. Can anyone confirm this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjames9142 Posted July 1, 2013 Share #34 Â Posted July 1, 2013 The Elmarit asph has too much contrast for my taste. My favourite 28 is the version 4 elmarit, which has good but not excessive contrast, high resolution etc. -- a very sophisticated lens. I have just got a 28' Summicron for a specific project that requires a lot of low-light work, but I think I prefer the V4. I can confirm this when I have shot a bit more and have made a bunch of big prints, which to me is the only way to judge a lens. I have a zeiss 35 2.8 biogon, a very good "technical"performer, but again I prefer a V4 35 Cron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4X5B&W Posted July 1, 2013 Share #35 Â Posted July 1, 2013 Geoffrey, just recently purchased a very clean Ver 4 Elmarit on your recommendation, and yes I like it very much....all the performance one could want, without that high contrast "edgy" look. Â Hoping to have a M240 soon so the 28 Ver 4 may be an everyday lens with that kit. Â David K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjames9142 Posted July 1, 2013 Share #36 Â Posted July 1, 2013 Exactly, David. It may be the best Leica deal on the market. The version 4 sells for considerably less than the wildly underperforming V1, and for less than a used 28 asph . Elmarit, or a v4 Cron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuromis Posted July 24, 2013 Share #37 Â Posted July 24, 2013 One question to all 28mm cron shooters: You use an ext. viewfinder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 24, 2013 Share #38 Â Posted July 24, 2013 One question to all 28mm cron shooters: You use an ext. viewfinder? Â No. Falstaff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marc G. Posted July 24, 2013 Share #39 Â Posted July 24, 2013 One question to all 28mm cron shooters: You use an ext. viewfinder? Â no, but I don't get this question. why would one do this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted July 24, 2013 Share #40  Posted July 24, 2013 I've never used the 28mm Elmarit ASPH, but from what I understand, it's incredibly sharp, and with very punchy contrast.  I'm a huge fan of the 28mm Summicron ASPH - the rendering, to my eyes, is very pleasing. It seems to blend the classic look with the modern, a lot like the 50mm Summilux ASPH.  Here are a few shots, using the 28 'cron on my M Monochrom.  Best wishes all,  Colin Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/203537-28mm-elmarit-to-summicron-worth-the-upgrade/?do=findComment&comment=2381571'>More sharing options...
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