douglasf13 Posted June 3, 2013 Share #361 Posted June 3, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hey Doug, I was reading this about buying a $3K camera with a fixed lens and in a couple of years I'd be throwing it in the trash, lens and all. Had me thinking that my RX1 might not have been a good buy. But, I got to thinking about it and realized that this little RX1 is going to be a great camera (technologically) for a looooong time. As long as it keeps working, this could be a semi-pocket PAS for many years. As you know by now, I love this little camera. Agreed. Your posts where one of the reason I bought one, and I like the camera, too. I shouldn't derail this thread with RX1 talk. I was just teasing jaapv. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 3, 2013 Posted June 3, 2013 Hi douglasf13, Take a look here Leica M strap lugs unscrewing (merged). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted June 4, 2013 Share #362 Posted June 4, 2013 Hey, wait a second! I thought this was your argument against the RX1? That I am excentric enough to use a digital dinosaur does not mean the average pnter will do so;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leohong Posted June 4, 2013 Share #363 Posted June 4, 2013 I picked up my M last Friday and registered it with Leica. I got this from them this morning: Dear Leica M Customer, We are aware of the fact that a few of the Leica M (Typ 240) cameras shipped before April 5, 2013, experienced loose carrying strap eyelets. We identified that this was caused by an assembly fault that occurred in the Leica M (Typ 240) production line. Products potentially affected only concern Leica M (Typ 240) cameras shipped prior to April 5, 2013. After identifying what happened, we fixed the production issue immediately. Rest assured that the issue has been completely resolved and corrected. We are deeply sorry that this occurred. Having crosschecked the camera’s serial number, we would like to inform you that your camera 4698xxx is not affected and we hope that the Leica M offers you a great deal of enjoyment for many years to come. This is very professionally handled by Leica. So far the camera is perfect. Leo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 4, 2013 Share #364 Posted June 4, 2013 This is very professionally handled by Leica. So far the camera is perfect. Leo Hi Leo. I am sure you will enjoy your M as much as I do. It is a wonderful little camera. I was wondering why your dealer sold it to you if it was on the recall list? I would like to think that he must have known or at the least should have known it was on the black list. I don't know all of your purchase circumstances, but I'd be having a talk with your dealer - this is a known problem for quite some time now. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 4, 2013 Share #365 Posted June 4, 2013 Oh, I understand on rereading your post that yours was not affected. That's great. Enjoy your camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leohong Posted June 4, 2013 Share #366 Posted June 4, 2013 Hi Rick, Yes, I had to read a couple times myself. The wording is kind of confusing. Leo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
awslee Posted June 4, 2013 Share #367 Posted June 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I sent mine our on April 28th from Hong Kong and I got it back May 30th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 4, 2013 Share #368 Posted June 4, 2013 Yes i've received the same email like other unaffected buyers whose camera has been shipped around April 5 i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 6, 2013 Share #369 Posted June 6, 2013 My M240 has come back from Solms nicely cleaned externally. It is a different matter inside. The sensor was unusably dirty, with lots of large lumps of crud on it. It needed a blow + sticky stick + final wet clean before it was acceptable. This is far from the first time one of my digital M's has come back from Solms with a dirty sensor. I just hope that when they move back to Wetzlar, they will have proper clean room conditions. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 7, 2013 Share #370 Posted June 7, 2013 Wilson, what is the state of "that" screw in your returned camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 7, 2013 Share #371 Posted June 7, 2013 Wilson, what is the state of "that" screw in your returned camera? Mark, It's not perfect. One side of the slot in the screw head is a bit "chewed" and there is a big blob of the nasty shiny black locking paint daubed on the front. I have a very large collection of tools from 50 years of building and rebuilding race and rally cars. In that collection, I have a lovely little right angle ratchet micro screw driver with changeable tips/bits, which are all 3/16ths hex and slide into the centre of the ratchet. They have shoulders on the hex shaft of the tips so that you can apply axial pressure to the tip via the handle of the ratchet, to keep it firmly in the screw head. To reverse the direction of the ratchet, you simply remove the tip and insert it in the hex hole in the middle of the ratchet driver from the other direction. I am not sure if it is in the UK or France but if it is in the UK, I will get it from the garage in a few days (I am very immobile at the moment, non-weight bearing with my new Swiss replacement metal ankle) and post a photograph here. With this tool, I could reach in and have the bit/tip align at right angles with the elbow screw. With a long arm on the ratchet, I can obviously apply a lot more torque than with a standard screwdriver, especially one ground at an angle, where any applied torque is not axial but has a slipping component as well - hence the chewed up screws. I am frankly amazed that Leica does not use something like this. Even if they are not available nowadays off the shelf, it is not very difficult to make something up or get it made up. I have a large cabinet of labelled special tools I have either bought over the years or often made myself on the lathe/milling machine/welder for everything from a large lump of steel for setting the timing on Cosworth DFV camshafts to tiny wiggly tools to change the dip switches in Porsche DME computers via the small access port. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted June 8, 2013 Share #372 Posted June 8, 2013 Mark, It's not perfect. One side of the slot in the screw head is a bit "chewed" and there is a big blob of the nasty shiny black locking paint daubed on the front. I have a very large collection of tools from 50 years of building and rebuilding race and rally cars. In that collection, I have a lovely little right angle ratchet micro screw driver with changeable tips/bits, which are all 3/16ths hex and slide into the centre of the ratchet. They have shoulders on the hex shaft of the tips so that you can apply axial pressure to the tip via the handle of the ratchet, to keep it firmly in the screw head. To reverse the direction of the ratchet, you simply remove the tip and insert it in the hex hole in the middle of the ratchet driver from the other direction. I am not sure if it is in the UK or France but if it is in the UK, I will get it from the garage in a few days (I am very immobile at the moment, non-weight bearing with my new Swiss replacement metal ankle) and post a photograph here. With this tool, I could reach in and have the bit/tip align at right angles with the elbow screw. With a long arm on the ratchet, I can obviously apply a lot more torque than with a standard screwdriver, especially one ground at an angle, where any applied torque is not axial but has a slipping component as well - hence the chewed up screws. I am frankly amazed that Leica does not use something like this. Even if they are not available nowadays off the shelf, it is not very difficult to make something up or get it made up. I have a large cabinet of labelled special tools I have either bought over the years or often made myself on the lathe/milling machine/welder for everything from a large lump of steel for setting the timing on Cosworth DFV camshafts to tiny wiggly tools to change the dip switches in Porsche DME computers via the small access port. Wilson Wilson, I have been thinking of a similar tool and hope that Leica uses one like it on a regular basis - except when some of their elves cuts corners, and screws, on a bad day. My 240 is in for lugtest, will let you all know the results. Keeping my digits crossed. And hope your ankle gets well. My metallic knees are fine - but not painless. Ugh . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 8, 2013 Share #373 Posted June 8, 2013 My M240 has come back from Solms nicely cleaned externally. It is a different matter inside. The sensor was unusably dirty, with lots of large lumps of crud on it. It needed a blow + sticky stick + final wet clean before it was acceptable. This is far from the first time one of my digital M's has come back from Solms with a dirty sensor. I just hope that when they move back to Wetzlar, they will have proper clean room conditions. Wilson I put on clean underwear (cleaned the sensor) on my M before I sent it in to Solms for lug repair. It came back soiled. This seems to be the norm. Hard to believe. But, I did get a nice book of people I don't know mugging into the bathroom mirror with their Leicas. All is good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 9, 2013 Share #374 Posted June 9, 2013 Leica has done something horrible on the lug rebuild which has ruined the ergonomics of my M240. The "Movie" button which was flush with the top deck and required a quite deliberate push to activate it, is now about 1.25mm proud. The slightest brush on this button starts taking an unwanted movie. It is totally driving me up the wall. I must have deleted 10 unwanted "shorts" yesterday and just this morning in a few minutes use, I managed to activate movies 5 times As far as I can find from the manual, there is not even a menu option to disable movie mode. Grrrrrrrr! :mad: Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted June 12, 2013 Share #375 Posted June 12, 2013 Dear Wilson - sorry you've had these problems. For information, my body #2 just back and all looks normal. I also have to say that the sensor was pristine - possibly the cleanest I've ever seen! Not a speck on the check shot... Maybe the "professional service" deal really is worth applying for... For information, the movie buttons have never been flush on either of mine - but I've never shot off a movie by accident. Odd. In terms of projection, does the button come up higher than these? If the movie continues I'd contact Andrea. V Best C: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/201872-leica-m-strap-lugs-unscrewing-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2346847'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 12, 2013 Share #376 Posted June 12, 2013 Chris, Mine too was on the "professional service," with which I have been registered for a few years. Maybe they were having a bad week. The dirty sensor is curable, the changed movie button is not. I wondered when others complained about accidentally activating movies thinking "what are they talking about, the button is almost recessed." No longer sadly, mine now looks like everyone else's. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted June 13, 2013 Share #377 Posted June 13, 2013 Chris, No longer sadly, mine now looks like everyone else's. Wilson Why not put a little cap over it so that it can't be pressed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 13, 2013 Share #378 Posted June 13, 2013 Why not put a little cap over it so that it can't be pressed? Alan, I was thinking exactly along those lines. If I took a transparent sticky cylindrical Bumpon, then used a Dremel to carve out the centre, I could stick that over the movie button. A firm press on that would still start and stop movies for the very rare occasions I might need them. However it would not exactly enhance the appearance of the camera. The small domed Bumpon I have on the Zoom/Focus button can hardly be seen but one on the top plate would be far more visible. I think I am just going to have to learn to hold the camera in a different way. Things may change when (and if) the MF grip I have had on order since last September arrives. My POV is that Leica should have concentrated on getting these and the R to M adapters out, thereby servicing their bread and butter market and customers, rather than getting distracted with the Vario X niche market camera. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted June 13, 2013 Share #379 Posted June 13, 2013 Clearly it will be good if there can be an option to turn off video in a future firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
george + Posted June 17, 2013 Share #380 Posted June 17, 2013 It is back. Toronto-Solms-Toronto, door to door 13 elapsed days = 9 business days. Only three of those in Solms. Got excellent, timely help and information from New Jersey and Solms throughout. The lens cavity and sensor seems clean, no gook on screws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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