Sonofido Posted August 18, 2013 Share #61 Posted August 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't have any San Disk 45 MB/s Extreme Video SD cards, but just for the sake of trying something I changed from the Transcend SDHC 16gig class 10 card to a Mustang 16GB Le Mans Class 10 card (I found in my wife's D-Lux 5) and my wake time improved from 5 sec to just over 2 seconds. I have a feeling we are all going to be testing cards very soon. I know I will be buying some new ones. StephenPatterson and all: I too am having similar startup and wakeup problems. Times for both are around 3-4 seconds. I use SanDisk Extreme Pro 45MB/s 16GB cards, always freshly formatted and hardly every loaded over 80% storage capacity before switching to a blank card. I'll try a faster card and report back. Regarding battery life: I barely get a full day of usage, regardless of how many frames I shoot. I hardly ever use LV mode. And am not in the habit of viewing shots on the screen (which is set to mid-level brightness anyway.) Metering is in Classic mode, and sleep set to 2 minutes. Fortunately I have 2 batteries. But all of this seems contrary to reports about lengthy battery life and rapid startups. My old M9 was much more responsive with startups and wakeup. That said, I love everything about the M240. Can't go back to anything else! I hope updated firmware will resolve the power and startup problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 18, 2013 Posted August 18, 2013 Hi Sonofido, Take a look here My experience with the M240 - with some negative points. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
StephenPatterson Posted August 18, 2013 Share #62 Posted August 18, 2013 I have now purchased Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB and 64GB cards rated at 95mbps and my startup times are around 1.5 seconds. Also the continuous is much faster and runs longer before slowing. As for power issues I would suggest not using sleep mode but rather managing power conservation manually with the on/off switch until a new firmware version is released. My battery life experience was similar to yours, but reverting to manual solved the problem. Of course having the faster cards (with much faster startup times made this feasible). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 18, 2013 Share #63 Posted August 18, 2013 But not all firmware is written the same Pico. Damn it, SD cards have a rigid standard and any company that cannot get the code right is just plain incompetent. It pisses me off to no end that Leica is screwing up on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 18, 2013 Share #64 Posted August 18, 2013 It may be of course that after the card problems with the M9, Leica are being cautious in the M and going through some sort of data validation on startup to prevent data corruption problems. In that case, it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the size of the card and the number of files on the card will have a bearing on the start-up times. You could argue that the need for such validation is reduced if the card is the same one in there when the camera was last awake but cards do not have an infinite life - they wear out - and nothing is worse than to find your images corrupted. I'm afraid Leica are between a rock and a hard place and I don't expect the move to ever larger cards is making things easier. It unlikely that anyone here will ever wear out an SD card. The Leica cannot, at this time, exploit fast cards, and I seriously doubt that they do any data validation. They just use the controller built into the card. Or they should. The firmware is just plain messed up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted August 18, 2013 Share #65 Posted August 18, 2013 Damn it, SD cards have a rigid standard and any company that cannot get the code right is just plain incompetent. It pisses me off to no end that Leica is screwing up on this. I agree there is too much variability here with the M240 and different manufacturers/classes of SD cards that is not seen in other cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 18, 2013 Share #66 Posted August 18, 2013 Damn it, SD cards have a rigid standard and any company that cannot get the code right is just plain incompetent. It pisses me off to no end that Leica is screwing up on this. SD cards are not built to that rigid a standard, I fear. I was told by guy who knows about cards that the problems we are experiencing can be traced down to the way the card's controller handles the data, not to the card write/read speed per se. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 18, 2013 Share #67 Posted August 18, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have now purchased Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB and 64GB cards rated at 95mbps and my startup times are around 1.5 seconds. Also the continuous is much faster and runs longer before slowing... Not the case with my 32GB i must say. My worst startup time with 2.7s. Doesn't encourage me to purchase the 64GB... So far my best startup times are 1.0s with old SD cards, and 1.7s with 8GB SDHC's. http://tinyurl.com/kp8qe83 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 18, 2013 Share #68 Posted August 18, 2013 I agree there is too much variability here with the M240 and different manufacturers/classes of SD cards that is not seen in other cameras. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted August 18, 2013 Share #69 Posted August 18, 2013 There is as Jaap says, a big variation in card performance from outwardly identical cards. One of my SanDisk 16GB 95MB/s is noticeably faster starting than the other. Both bought at the same time from Amazon UK. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted August 18, 2013 Share #70 Posted August 18, 2013 I switched to Samsung cards a few years ago and stopped having major issues. I have had issues in many cameras with other brands. In response to the above comment on SD cards wearing out, theoretically all static memory products will, it's just that manufacturers quote massive write times before failure today which I don't particularly believe. I have a card fail at least every year. You can tell they are about to fail as they suddenly get slower. My technique now is just to use the largest cards (64 or 128) and not format them until they are full, so to minimise the FAT re-write. Any slight problems I throw the card away Anyway, Just my 2 cents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted August 18, 2013 Share #71 Posted August 18, 2013 As for power issues I would suggest not using sleep mode but rather managing power conservation manually with the on/off switch until a new firmware version is released. My battery life experience was similar to yours, but reverting to manual solved the problem. Of course having the faster cards (with much faster startup times made this feasible). Curious how some people have standby problems and some don't ........ In nearly six months of use my camera has never had an issue and I regularly leave it on standby ..... Often for days at a time by accident. I've only had one occasion when I noticed it had failed to go to sleep after 2 mins ..... And that was after some random fiddling about with various buttons in an effort to change some settings and got muddled..... Behaved after a switch off and on. Most odd. Like many Leica problems, they seem to Be very camera/user specific.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 18, 2013 Share #72 Posted August 18, 2013 Yes mine is always in sleep mode and i've never got the least problem so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 19, 2013 Share #73 Posted August 19, 2013 In another thread, I think someone suggested the buffer was actually smaller (6 rather than 7 shots) when shooting uncompressed DNG. Can you verify whether that is the case? Perhaps you could confirm that the compressed DNGs are actually lossless (so that there's no need to shoot uncompressed DNGs). Thanks. I shoot uncompressed and get between 10-12 shots (sometimes 13 shots) before buffer reverts to one shot per second which is OK also for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted August 19, 2013 Share #74 Posted August 19, 2013 I have now purchased Sandisk Extreme Pro 32GB and 64GB cards rated at 95mbps and my startup times are around 1.5 seconds. Also the continuous is much faster and runs longer before slowing. As for power issues I would suggest not using sleep mode but rather managing power conservation manually with the on/off switch until a new firmware version is released. My battery life experience was similar to yours, but reverting to manual solved the problem. Of course having the faster cards (with much faster startup times made this feasible). Funny you say that. I like those new cards too as I get very few lockups with them and faster startup times. Overgaard here in Florida mentioned yesterday that his 64GB card starts up faster than his 32GB card. Both are the Sandisk Extreme Pro 95 cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted August 19, 2013 Share #75 Posted August 19, 2013 You can leave the camera on standby without worrying about battery drainage I left mine on as an experiment for 5 days and the battery indicator only moved when I had been taking pictures ..... it stayed on 55% for 2 days whilst the camera sat idle.... That's a very useful info, I never actually tried that myself. Thanks man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MirekE Posted August 19, 2013 Share #76 Posted August 19, 2013 Curious how some people have standby problems and some don't ........ In nearly six months of use my camera has never had an issue and I regularly leave it on standby ..... Often for days at a time by accident. I've only had one occasion when I noticed it had failed to go to sleep after 2 mins ..... And that was after some random fiddling about with various buttons in an effort to change some settings and got muddled..... Behaved after a switch off and on. Most odd. Like many Leica problems, they seem to Be very camera/user specific.... I suspect it depends on how you actually use the camera and possibly what is the last button touched (or something along those lines). I see this problem quite frequently, but not every time. Somebody suggested, that this happens with new batteries. I think it is not the case as mine were charged at least three times each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
solochrom Posted November 30, 2013 Share #77 Posted November 30, 2013 Hi, I agree with you. I also got my new M just before my boarding. With this camera, I had a wonderful travel in Europe. The startup time, whether after sleep or not, is truly a little lag. So I have to switch on/off by myself instead of setting sleep time at 2 min. I think this design is based on the traditional M photography. Maybe the best solution now is carry another battery with us. Cheers !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
openuser Posted November 30, 2013 Share #78 Posted November 30, 2013 Hi' date=' I agree with you. I also got my new M just before my boarding. With this camera, I had a wonderful travel in Europe. The startup time, whether after sleep or not, is truly a little lag. So I have to switch on/off by myself instead of setting sleep time at 2 min. I think this design is based on the traditional M photography. Maybe the best solution now is carry another battery with us. Cheers !![/quote'] That's what I do. I turn off auto sleep, and carry a spare battery with me. Usually I can go the whole day with one and rarely need the spare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mirekti Posted November 30, 2013 Share #79 Posted November 30, 2013 Maybe the best solution now is carry another battery with us. I never leave the house without an extra battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albireo_double Posted November 30, 2013 Share #80 Posted November 30, 2013 I use the 64GB Extreme Pro card and don't have any problems with start-up time. I haven't measured it but it is basically instantaneous, to the point that I don't perceive any delay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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