24 on the M8

[dseelig]

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I am a died in the wool 35 on a film leica guy . I have felt like the 28 might be a little tight for what I want in a walking lens. I never liked the look of a 28 on film a little bit wide angle but not a true wide angle look like the 24 has. So I am asking will the 24 on an m8 look natural like a 35 does on film or will it be more like a 28 and look a little wideagle distrosion. I have a 28 summicron 28 which I am keeeping regardless . MY budget is such I am making one more leica glass then rounding out with a voigtlander. Thanks David I have the 15 voigtlander a 28 summicron 35 sulmmilux 50 nokton Thanks David

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[dseelig]

I am a died in the wool 35 on a film leica guy . I have felt like the 28 might be a little tight for what I want in a walking lens. I never liked the look of a 28 on film a little bit wide angle but not a true wide angle look like the 24 has. So I am asking will the 24 on an m8 look natural like a 35 does on film or will it be more like a 28 and look a little wideagle distrosion. I have a 28 summicron 28 which I am keeeping regardless . MY budget is such I am making one more leica glass then rounding out with a voigtlander. Thanks David I have the 15 voigtlander a 28 summicron 35 sulmmilux 50 nokton Thanks David:cool:

Sorry for the duplicates

[teehas53]

David -

 

On the M8, my take is the 24 looks like a "wide" 35, the 28 looks like a "long" 35. The 28 Cron is a stop faster, the 24 is somewhat bulkier. Both are superb optically. It depends what you're looking to do. As the Brits say, "Horses for courses."

 

Tom

[jaapv]

The 24 is an excellent lens, one of Leica's best and is a perfect choice for a moderate WA on the M8.

[charlesphoto99]

The 24 is fast becoming the "normal" lens for me, even over the 28 summicron. I loved the lens on my M7 might be part of the reason. It's optically superb. I would say it's very close to a 28mm. Not quite the same coverage due to the crop factor, but the same "feel" due to it being a wide lens. Make any sense?

[yoMammabot]

read your post and had both Lenses in my bag right next to me..

 

first the newest 24mm 2.8 shot @ 30 / f4

 

 

 

 

And Now the newest 28mm 2.0 shot @30 /f4

 

 

Hope that helps.

 

I love both lenses and love the fact that I can use the viewfinder without any external attachments with the 24....But I'll be trading ing my 24 I hope for a 35 lux (Anybody interested? the 24 is Bairly used )

[marknorton]

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Bairly Used? Or would that be Bearly Used, or even Barely Used?

 

As you can see, the difference in view between a 24 and a 28 is small; 35mm on film is half-way between these two, not much, really, to choose between any of them.

 

If you want the wide-angle look, go for a 21 and get used to using it without a finder, everything you can see in the viewfinder with a generous safety margin all the way round.

[Guest Olof]

I played in different situations with the frames of my M8 and found that the 24mm gives the more interesting and usefull view. I also think that the step from 24 to 50 is better that from 28 to 50 (so it also depends how many lenses you have , i have 24mm 50mm and 90mm). Dont become nervous because a 28mm might give you an extra stop. I dont think that there are really situations for a 24mm lense where you cant take a picture because you only have 2.8 (think about all the WATE users here which are happy with 4.0).

 

I recieved yesterday my silver chromed 6-bit Elmarit 24mm, and i love it !

[scott kirkpatrick]

If you want the wide-angle look, go for a 21 and get used to using it without a finder, everything you can see in the viewfinder with a generous safety margin all the way round.

 

Or get a 28mm finder with bright lines, and just check the focus occasionally -- it's a wide angle after all, and the action at the edges of the frame is more important than sharpness of the eyelashes on the central figure. Similarly for the 24 and 28/2.0, which block parts of the field of view through the rangefinder, use of a brightline 35mm finder is quite appealing. There was a 21mm finder for the RD-1 (which at 1.5x gives almost exactly the 32mm field of view that the 24mm generates on the M8), but that is out of production and out of stock at CameraQuest. Perhaps other shops still have a few.

 

scott

[Eoin]

I'd agree with Mark, the difference between 24 & 28 is so small. Remember you have a built in preview already with the frame line selector, next time your out shooting, play with the frame line selector to see the framing difference between 24 & 28 and how it would effect you in real terms.

I'd also agree that the better option is to pad out the 15-28 range with a 21 elmarit, forget the external finder, zone focus and shoot from the hip or use the whole viewfinder. But the 21 on the M8 is 28 on film which you didn't like before!.

[lars_bergquist]

Let’s quantify it. Applying the 1.33 or 4/3 crop factor, we get this:

 

35 mm on the M8 is equivalent to 47 mm on film;

28 mm on the M8 is equivalent to 37 mm on film;

24 mm on the M8 is equivalent to 32 mm on film.

 

This kind of conversion is legitimate as the proportions of the sensors are the same:

 

24 x 36 mm = 2/3

18 x 27 mm = 2/3

 

I think the comparison shots we saw illustrates how small the difference is between 24 and 28 mm. It is about equivalent to one step forward or back – which of course is not always possible when working in crowded spaces. For me, the practical step down from 28 mm is 21 mm; and from 35 to 21 is not a too great leap for humanity, either ...

 

The old man from the Age of the Standard Lens

[jlm]

if anyone is interested, I'd like to exchange my nearly new 24 for a primo 28 cron. I'm getting the WATE and need a bit more soace between lenses.

[dseelig]

HI MY asking point is does the 24 give a natural view of life as a 35 does on film or does it look wideangle like a 28 does on film . I never liked a 28 on film much prefered the 24 if I wanted a wide angle look . the frame lines do not tell the story as a print would. I am pretty sure I want to get a 24 but wonder if I might be better served getting something else a 75 or a 50 summilux . David

[huwge]

Here is slight (really slight) crop from 24 on M8 - doesn't seem to be much other than std. 35 type width to me

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[albertknappmd]

I have used the 24 f/2.8 for many years and find it to be a marvellous lens. Sharp and very contrasty. It would be an excellent "normal" lens !

[carcam]

I know this doesn't answer your question either but I always have the 1.25x magnifier on the viewfinder of my M8 and I can see the frame lines of the 28 and not the 24. I use a 28 VT external viewfinder with the 21 Elmarit but I prefer the camera without the ext finder. It's so much easier to focus with the 1.25x that it's one of the reasons I went with the 21-28 rather than 24... Ask me next week and I may feel differently.

[preston]

I am a died in the wool 35 on a film leica guy . I have felt like the 28 might be a little tight for what I want in a walking lens. I never liked the look of a 28 on film a little bit wide angle but not a true wide angle look like the 24 has. So I am asking will the 24 on an m8 look natural like a 35 does on film or will it be more like a 28 and look a little wideagle distrosion.

I am in a similar situation. For many years I have used an M6 with a 35, and have felt that for my particular work (in lots of tight interior spaces) the 35 barely had enough coverage, but at the same time 28 was too wide as it gave a noticeable WA look.

 

For me, I think the 24 on the M8 might be ideal (though a stop slower and a lot bigger than my 35...). I really don't like the idea of losing even a little of the angle of view that my 35 had on film, since it was barely adequate for my purposes.

 

It seems to me that it depends on how you work. Some will tell you that 28/24 differences are small, but I find that such differences make for a different feel. If like me you kept thinking you could barely fit enough in with the 35, the 24 might be better. If not, the 28 is more practical on the M8 with respect to size and frameline visibility.

[sean_reid]

Or get a 28mm finder with bright lines, and just check the focus occasionally -- it's a wide angle after all, and the action at the edges of the frame is more important than sharpness of the eyelashes on the central figure. Similarly for the 24 and 28/2.0, which block parts of the field of view through the rangefinder, use of a brightline 35mm finder is quite appealing. There was a 21mm finder for the RD-1 (which at 1.5x gives almost exactly the 32mm field of view that the 24mm generates on the M8), but that is out of production and out of stock at CameraQuest. Perhaps other shops still have a few.

 

scott

 

Hi Scott,

 

"the action at the edges of the frame is more important than sharpness of the eyelashes on the central figure"

 

Exactly! I had the same thought when I read Mark's post. For a serious photographer, its very important to know where the edges of the picture will fall and the full finder on the M8 isn't remotely close to being accurate. The full finder, in fact, is much closer to the FOV of a 24. If I have space outside the frame lines for a given lens (camera or external finder) then I can learn where the edges will fall with that lens at various focus distances. And I still recommend the 21 D finder (if one can find it) for the Leica 24 or Zeiss 25 on the M8.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

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[sean_reid]

HI MY asking point is does the 24 give a natural view of life as a 35 does on film or does it look wideangle like a 28 does on film . I never liked a 28 on film much prefered the 24 if I wanted a wide angle look . the frame lines do not tell the story as a print would. I am pretty sure I want to get a 24 but wonder if I might be better served getting something else a 75 or a 50 summilux . David

 

Hi David,

 

As you might agree, there's really no such thing as a natural view of life (as seen by a lens). But a 24 or 25 on the M8 does give me the sense of a slightly wide 35 on film. Someone made an excellent suggestion above, however, which was to spend some time looking at the world through the two different frame line sets and see what you think.

 

And/or....look through your prints and see if you tend to be a bit tight or loose in your framing with a 35 on a film body. That might point you in the right direction.

 

Cheers,

 

Sean

[mikelc]

i have a 28cv voltron which i like a lot...but i'd love to get a 24...i have a new 35 2.0 cron which i also like alot but would love to trade it for a 24

 

 

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