Peter H Posted October 9, 2014 Share #101 Posted October 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) A 35 Summilux FLE. Not necessarily my favourite of all lenses (though it is very close) but certainly the most versatile. Just to get the thread back on track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tobey bilek Posted October 9, 2014 Share #102 Posted October 9, 2014 Sorry to take this completely off-topic for a moment, but may I ask if anyone has noticed this increasingly popular tendency to insert "of" redundantly in this way? Any ideas how or when it started? (No offence intended I assure you.) English evolves and is butchered by illiterates , mostly because proper English is not addressed in schools. It then becomes mainstream. Irregardless is my pet. Or how about Bible stories about Jesus`s life. Supposed to be simply Jesus` . This is done with everything that ends in s. Or the intellectual elites who substitute r for a at the end of proper nouns, for example the country Cuba becomes Cuber. When I hear these things on radio or TV I just shut down and ignore any point they are attempting to make. They have to just be uneducated and not worth trying to understand. My spouse has been a teacher for 35 years in a good school district, and the quality of student has been in SERIOUS decline. It is no wonder the USA lags in test scores compared to other developed countries. Who excels? Asian students. Why? The parents insist they study instead of learning sports statistics and playing sports four seasons. I work with a retired teacher and I asked her about asian students. She said they "soak up material little sponges." Now we can blame generations of parents. I will not address the political reasons for this but that is where it all started. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicaphilia Posted October 9, 2014 Share #103 Posted October 9, 2014 Staying off topic.... ...when did it become necessary to start every explanatory statement with "So......."? For some reason this recent linguistic tic is currently in vogue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 9, 2014 Share #104 Posted October 9, 2014 Or the intellectual elites who substitute r for a at the end of proper nouns, for example the country Cuba becomes Cuber. Who does this and why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
don daniel Posted October 9, 2014 Share #105 Posted October 9, 2014 A 35 Summilux FLE. Not necessarily my favourite of all lenses (though it is very close) but certainly the most versatile. I would not choose the most versatile lens but certainly my favourite of all lenses I own. It's about fun, isn't it? And I would surely not use the Monochrom for my family vacation but the M240. It's also about joy and not only about art. But to be honest I always travel with my Summilux 50 asph. and my Summicron 28 asph. But a lens stays always on the body for a whole day while the other one stays at the hotel or apartment or in the bag when I'm traveling from one place to the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted October 9, 2014 Share #106 Posted October 9, 2014 It would be a 35mm for sure. Which one is difficult. On two trips this year I have taken 3 lenses each trip and by far the most used were the (different - pre-aspheric and pre-FLE aspheric Summilux) 35s. In all honesty the pre-aspheric Summilux would be my fun choice (family vacation) simply because of its size (and outrageous wide-open performance) and its actually a very nice little lens at mid apertures with few issues other than a bit of flare at times. I used it for a week away earlier this year on the M9 and would very happily do so again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carduelis Posted October 9, 2014 Share #107 Posted October 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) My choice would depend on the type of vacation. For walking holidays particularly with open and expansive landscapes I would select a 50 mm lens such as a Zeiss ZM Planar or the ASPH Summilux. For cities and tighter urban environments, I would select a 35 mm lens such as my ASPH (pre-FLE) Summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted October 9, 2014 Share #108 Posted October 9, 2014 Quote:Originally Posted by bocaburger View Post .............. But in reality, if space or lens-changing was that huge of an issue.................... Sorry to take this completely off-topic for a moment, but may I ask if anyone has noticed this increasingly popular tendency to insert "of" redundantly in this way? Any ideas how or when it started? (No offence intended I assure you.) See, now what pisses me off is the increasingly popular tendency to insert "no offence [sIC] intended" when offending someone, in some convoluted ploy to make the offendee look like the guilty one if he rightfully takes offense to what is clearly one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a911s Posted October 9, 2014 Share #109 Posted October 9, 2014 35mm Summicron IV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaPassion Posted October 9, 2014 Share #110 Posted October 9, 2014 See, now what pisses me off is the increasingly popular tendency to insert "no offence [sIC] intended" when offending someone, in some convoluted ploy to make the offendee look like the guilty one if he rightfully takes offense to what is clearly one. I agree completely. In another thread this year, someone criticized my use of a word by beginning with "I'm not poking at you but..." In fact, that individual was ignorant about the use of the word in the U.S. It was correct. The word is in the dictionary. When someone pointed out the individual's mistake and suggested an apology would be in order, the individual not only declined but proceeded to mock me. Others chimed in including one of the moderators. I could easily challenge the individual's writing. I have not done so. This is an international forum. English is a second language for some. We should welcome their participation, and not discourage them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 9, 2014 Share #111 Posted October 9, 2014 As much as I love the Lux 50/1.4 ASPH for walking around and making pictures on my own, I would pick the 35 FLE for the scenario you highlight every time. I went on a vacation this summer with my fiance, and we saw many of the best nature scenics in Norway, and I made five pictures with the 50/1.4 and about 800 with the 35/1.4 due to it's better versatility. That was quite surprising for me, considering I'm a 50mm guy, and have been for many years... But for this type of use the 35 was the undeniable king of the hill in every scenario. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 9, 2014 Share #112 Posted October 9, 2014 I agree completely. In another thread this year, someone criticized my use of a word by beginning with "I'm not poking at you but..." In fact, that individual was ignorant about the use of the word in the U.S. It was correct. The word is in the dictionary. When someone pointed out the individual's mistake and suggested an apology would be in order, the individual not only declined but proceeded to mock me. Others chimed in including one of the moderators. I could easily challenge the individual's writing. I have not done so. This is an international forum. English is a second language for some. We should welcome their participation, and not discourage them. All this is perfectly reasonable when usages are being criticised. And no one should ever be mocked for the way they use language. But it can be a fascinating subject that we ought to be able to talk about with mutual respect without people getting all huffy about it, or taking offence where none is intend i have no particular respect for "correct" English because I don't accept the notion of correctness in its traditional sense as it applies to language which is a consensual and evolving thing, not a set of rules. But when new usages like the apparently redundant insertion of "of" in constructions like the one I quoted start to gather pace it is interesting to try to understand why it is happening. That's why I said "no offence intended" because there should be no reason to be offended, though I anticipated the possibility, this being the Internet. I do however apologise for taking the thread off- topic again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted October 9, 2014 Share #113 Posted October 9, 2014 But when new usages like the apparently redundant insertion of "of" in constructions like the one I quoted start to gather pace it is interesting to try to understand why it is happening. It might be new to you but everyone I know has said it like that my whole life. If somebody was to leave off the "of" it would sound weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 9, 2014 Share #114 Posted October 9, 2014 It might be new to you but everyone I know has said it like that my whole life. If somebody was to leave off the "of" it would sound weird. It is quite new to me. It has been the subject of a fair bit of conversation in the UK where a number of usages (such as the spelling of "offence") differ from the U.S. Would " how big a difference" sound odd to your ears? Or would you use "how big of a difference" in preference? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 9, 2014 Share #115 Posted October 9, 2014 While I agree that the rigid language rules attempted by the Victorians was rather tragic, bearing in mind the origins of the English language and its fluidity, I do really enjoy reading and listening to English used well. There's a reason writers like Shakespeare, Churchill, Hemingway, Martin Amis & John Updike endure. That said, I shudder when I listen to our National Radio, and not just for the shabby quality of the journalism. English is rich with shades of meaning, and using "amount", when "many" or "few" would be more precise is just dumbing down. Why not use the wide vocabulary available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 9, 2014 Share #116 Posted October 9, 2014 It is quite new to me. It has been the subject of a fair bit of conversation in the UK where a number of usages (such as the spelling of "offence") differ from the U.S. Would " how big a difference" sound odd to your ears? Or would you use "how big of a difference" in preference? It took 800 years for England to perfect the English Language. The Americans fixed it in only 200 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 9, 2014 Share #117 Posted October 9, 2014 When I went to China a couple of years ago I used my MATE 28/35/50 virtually all the time.my favourite travel lens. Well good. BrianP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spydrxx Posted October 9, 2014 Share #118 Posted October 9, 2014 OFF TOPIC but following the conversation. Even Shakespeare often used outdated language in his dramas to make a specific point to his audience (not that most of us would notice today), as well as introducing phrases which were blasphemously new. Language is a fluid and constantly changing tool of communication. I am amused every year by the OED and Webster's choice of new words and phrases for inclusion. It took me a long time to come to terms whether a dictionary should define how we should speak and use words, or how we do speak and use words. Let's give people who desire to participate in discussions lots of flexibility and not criticise them for their use of the language...it may sometimes seem a misuse to us, but it may be perfectly correct in their own environment. Enough of my preaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted October 9, 2014 Share #119 Posted October 9, 2014 Though for versatility I should probably take the 35 Lux FLE, I think I'd now choose the 50 Lux instead. I've sort of gone cool on the 35mm FL believing rightly or wrongly I take more interesting photos with the 50. If, OTOH, I felt the trip called for the one lens to be a wide angle, it'd probably be my 28 Elmarit it being that little bit wider and much, much smaller than the 35 Lux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 9, 2014 Share #120 Posted October 9, 2014 OFF TOPIC but following the conversation. Even Shakespeare often used outdated language in his dramas to make a specific point to his audience (not that most of us would notice today), as well as introducing phrases which were blasphemously new. Language is a fluid and constantly changing tool of communication. I am amused every year by the OED and Webster's choice of new words and phrases for inclusion. It took me a long time to come to terms whether a dictionary should define how we should speak and use words, or how we do speak and use words. Let's give people who desire to participate in discussions lots of flexibility and not criticise them for their use of the language...it may sometimes seem a misuse to us, but it may be perfectly correct in their own environment. Enough of my preaching. I'm firmly of the opinion that a dictionary should only describe how we use language since neither it, nor anyone else, has the authority to tell us how it ought to be used. Even if we wished it otherwise, where would the authority come from? A description can be authoritative by virtue of learning but prescription is a different matter altogether don't you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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