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Preparing for the M

chris_tribble

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wlaidlaw

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The first use in literature of TANSTAAFL is in Robert Heinlein's book "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". It was obviously one of his favourite phrases as it is scattered liberally though his later books.

 

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hoppyman

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In answer to this question by Chris_Tribble

I know this question has been asked before, but as yet I don't think I've seen an answer.

 

QUESTION - does any one who's used the new R to M adapter know what framelines it brings up? I'm hoping that it will be the 35mm set. Grateful if anyone can answer as it will perhaps have an impact on adding 6 bit coding to alternative mounts

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.I just had a reply from Jesko von Oeynhausen on this. Here is his reply.

 

The R adapter brings up the 28/90 frameline pair.

3rd party lenses can also be used in principle, as long as the lens mount reflects light properly.

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My typing error sorry :o

Properly not "perly"

This is my interpretation:

 

If you put a 3rd party adapter or lens on and it was coded, in principle it should work. But the codes belong to Leica Camera as we know.

I can not think of any reason that would make sense to code a 3rd party adapter or lens as the R adapter myself unless you want to apply R lens data from the menu selection..

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Geoff,

 

What happens I wonder if I code my Leitax adapter as an R lens (it has coding pits) but it leaves the framelines in their rest position (35/135). I wonder if you might ask Jesko if the framelines need to be in the 28/90 position to activate the R coding in the M. I will check with David at Leitax if he can do an adapter with the frameline cam in the 28/90 position.

 

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UliWer

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My typing error sorry :o

Properly not "perly"

So if you put a 3rd party adapter on that brings up the 28/90 pair and you code it as the R adapter it should work in principle. You would need that R adapter code if you wanted to bring up the R lens selection menus.

Of course Leica Camera can not guarantee what 3rd party adapters will do or test for them and the 6 BIT coding is Leica Camera property too.

 

Thanks for the clarification of "perly". I was imagining those little perls of light dropping from the lens mount into the camera...:rolleyes:

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Wilson I am just a customer too. Anyone can send questions to Leica Camera of course.

Jesko has just replied to me a couple of times when I asked about things being discussed in this Forum and said that I would post his responses for everyone.

 

Personally I have no interest in using 3rd party lenses on my M when I get it, but I know where to borrow some superb big R lenses to try on it if I get an adapter too.

Are you talking about Leitax adapters to R mount of Nikon lenses for example? I can see the opposite happening. People UN-Leitaxing R lenses to use them with the new adapter.

Sorry I don't really follow what you are trying to achieve there:confused:

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The first use in literature of TANSTAAFL is in Robert Heinlein's book "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress". It was obviously one of his favourite phrases as it is scattered liberally though his later books.

 

Wilson

 

May I correct, Wilson? The first appearance is in Heinlein's serialized version of "Methusalah's Children" in Astounding in 1941. It was the catchphrase of Lazarus Long.

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.................... I will check with David at Leitax if he can do an adapter with the frameline cam in the 28/90 position.

 

Wilson

When I ordered an adapter for the 28-90mm Vario -Elmarit-R from David I specifically requested the one that brought up the 28/90 frame lines. Pleased to say that it does. (There's a frame line choice on the order page).

 

Bob.

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jonoslack

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My typing error sorry :o

Properly not "perly"

This is my interpretation:

 

If you put a 3rd party adapter or lens on and it was coded, in principle it should work. But the codes belong to Leica Camera as we know.

I can not think of any reason that would make sense to code a 3rd party adapter or lens as the R adapter myself unless you want to apply R lens data from the menu selection..

 

HI Geoff

I can think of three reasons to code a 3rd party adapter as the R adapter

 

1. so that you can at least get a focal length into the exif information

2. so that you don't have to select 'manual selection' in the menu

3. in the case of Novoflex adapters - if you don't code it at all then the camera will think there is no lens connected! (they're black). I guess a silver one would assume 6 whites!

 

all the best

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Wilson I am just a customer too. Anyone can send questions to Leica Camera of course.

Jesko has just replied to me a couple of times when I asked about things being discussed in this Forum and said that I would post his responses for everyone.

 

Personally I have no interest in using 3rd party lenses on my M when I get it, but I know where to borrow some superb big R lenses to try on it if I get an adapter too.

Are you talking about Leitax adapters to R mount of Nikon lenses for example? I can see the opposite happening. People UN-Leitaxing R lenses to use them with the new adapter.

Sorry I don't really follow what you are trying to achieve there:confused:

 

Geoff,

 

I put a permanent Leitax R to M adapter on the 80-200 Vario-Elmar-R, as this is a lens I am going to be using on a new M, while bouncing around in Land Rovers etc. I just wanted to avoid an extra adapter and have the ease of changing from the V-E lens to say a 90 Elmarit M, just like you would change between M lenses.

 

I did have Jesko's email address, when I was corresponding with him on firmware updates for the SF-58D flash gun but it seems to have become lost. I would prefer to send my query to someone specific rather than just to Leica general enquiries, as previous queries to this address have gone unanswered. I should be grateful if you were prepared to PM me Jesko's email address, so I can ask him if the adapters need to bring up the 28/90 framelines to activate the R coding. I would then post any answer on this thread.

 

Wilson

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The old Leitz 22228 adapter brings up the 28/90 frames lines (on my M9).

Both Novoflex adapters I have bring up the 50/75 frame lines.

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-lenses/262795-lens-code-new-apo-50-f-2.html

 

Based on the information presented by Geoff, I will have my 22228 adapter 6 bit coded and expect it to trigger the same camera functionality in the M-240 as the newly announced Leica R-M adapter that I have pre-ordered as well.

 

But what about the Novoflex adapters with their black surfaces and different frame lines?

The NOVOFLEX LEM/NIK-NT adapter was my hope to use Nikon lenses on the M-240, for example my Noct-Nikkor 58/1.2.

 

One main question on my mind is can one still use LiveView, EVF, and actually take a photo with an uncoded adapter, or even a coded one with different frame lines.

 

On the Sony NEX-7 one has to enable "Release w/o Lens" in the menu when using a lens with an adapter. Otherwise, one cannot take a photo.

 

As I don't expect Leica to sell an adapter for other manufacturers' lenses, one has to depend on third party adapters. Maybe the answer is for Novoflex to redesign their adapters to bring up the 28/90 frame lines. One could then apply the 6 bit code.

 

Or maybe I worry about a non-existent issue? I guess time will tell.

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One main question on my mind is can one still use LiveView, EVF, and actually take a photo with an uncoded adapter, or even a coded one with different frame lines....

 

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Frankly, I think absolutely YES... is a "barebone" approach in which, at the end, you have no Lens data on EXIF - no firmware correction.. but I can't imagine why they would have linked basic functions like LV and EVF to the functions related to lens (or adapter) recognition... after all there are numbers of old M lenses that are uncodable for mechanical reasons, and hopingfully one will be able to use them on M without limitations on the EVF/LV side.

 

About CODING... I wonder if the prospected 3rd party adapter for Visoflex lenses is worth to be coded as an R adapter... could be (marginally) useful to have at least the focal identified in the exif, given that some Viso lenses do have focals which are present in the R lenses' set listed in firmware...

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Frankly, I think absolutely YES... is a "barebone" approach in which, at the end, you have no Lens data on EXIF - no firmware correction.. but I can't imagine why they would have linked basic functions like LV and EVF to the functions related to lens (or adapter) recognition... after all there are numbers of old M lenses that are uncodable for mechanical reasons, and hopingfully one will be able to use them on M without limitations on the EVF/LV side.

 

About CODING... I wonder if the prospected 3rd party adapter for Visoflex lenses is worth to be coded as an R adapter... could be (marginally) useful to have at least the focal identified in the exif, given that some Viso lenses do have focals which are present in the R lenses' set listed in firmware...

 

One main question on my mind is can one still use LiveView, EVF, and actually take a photo with an uncoded adapter,

 

The answer is definitely yes - you don't need coding to use Live View or the EVF (I tried this in Solms with an uncoded lens) . . . there is, however, a rider to this - which is . . . . that the camera may need some sort of lens attached . . . This is fine with an uncoded silver adapter, but it might be that the black Novoflex adapters need something to tell the camera that there is a lens attached (I say 'maybe' because, of course, not having tried it . . I don't know!).

 

With respect to Luigi's question, I'd say that it's ALWAYS worth coding any adapter as an R lens adapter - because it will behave better with respect to manual lens selection and swapping between manual and auto lenses. I can't see any possible downside, but plenty of benefits.

all the best

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The answer is definitely yes - you don't need coding to use Live View or the EVF (I tried this in Solms with an uncoded lens) . . . there is, however, a rider to this - which is . . . . that the camera may need some sort of lens attached . . . This is fine with an uncoded silver adapter, but it might be that the black Novoflex adapters need something to tell the camera that there is a lens attached (I say 'maybe' because, of course, not having tried it . . I don't know!).

 

With respect to Luigi's question, I'd say that it's ALWAYS worth coding any adapter as an R lens adapter - because it will behave better with respect to manual lens selection and swapping between manual and auto lenses. I can't see any possible downside, but plenty of benefits.

all the best

 

 

Hi Jono,

 

Many thanks. Excellent.

 

Does the high-lighted part still apply for a coded adapter with the wrong frame lines selection?

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Another forum member has advised me that Jesko believes that activating the R lens code is NOT frameline dependant but as all his adapters bring up the 28-90 framelines he cannot test that his belief is correct. I will just cross fingers for the moment that this is the case. I wish I had thought of this before and ordered the 28-90 Leitax adapter rather than just not specifying and ending up with a 35-135.

 

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Another forum member has advised me that Jesko believes that activating the R lens code is NOT frameline dependant but as all his adapters bring up the 28-90 framelines he cannot test that his belief is correct. I will just cross fingers for the moment that this is the case. I wish I had thought of this before and ordered the 28-90 Leitax adapter rather than just not specifying and ending up with a 35-135.

 

Wilson

 

 

Hi Wilson,

 

Many thanks.

How about the extension tube for the V-lenses you have in the works?

Can you specify the right frames lines with that?

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