lct Posted January 8, 2013 Share #601 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I'm hoping (and have good reason to hope) that the implementation overall of the EVF will be as good as or better than the way the VF-2 works on the Olympus. How could it be if the Olympus operates at 60 fps and the Leica at 30 fps only? Just asking as i don't comprehend this comparison so far. The problem does not lie in the EVF but in the camera as i understand it. Did someone try the M's EVF on moving subjects here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 8, 2013 Posted January 8, 2013 Hi lct, Take a look here Preparing for the M. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Lightwrangler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #602  Posted January 8, 2013 So, what happens if you have the new Leica adapter with an R lens?How do you switch in that case?  That's what the new front button is for  Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #603  Posted January 8, 2013 That's what the new front button is for  Mike   Thanks, of course, I remember now. That will work. I like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #604 Â Posted January 8, 2013 How could it be if the Olympus operates at 60 fps and the Leica at 30 fps only? Just asking as i don't comprehend this comparison so far. The problem does not lie in the EVF but in the camera as i understand it. Did someone try the M's EVF on moving subjects here? Â Â Excellent question! So far I have not seen anywhere a report about that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share #605 Â Posted January 8, 2013 So, what happens if you have the new Leica adapter with an R lens?How do you switch in that case? Â Won't it also work if you're using a coded adapter and key in a matching focal length? Silly if it works with lenses that don't need the EVF (between 28 and 75.... ) but doesn't work the the lenses it's going to be most useful with (like the 80-200)... Â Anyone remember how it works with lenses fixed to a coded adapter? (I'm getting my Nikon and Canon to M adapters coded by Malcolm Taylor - they should be with me in the next day or two - he's also adapting them to bring up the 90mm framelines.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightwrangler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #606  Posted January 8, 2013 […] but doesn't work the the lenses it's going to be most useful with (like the 80-200)...  It will work. All you have to do is move your right middle finger a bit and push a button. You can also switch on the focus peaking permanently when using R lenses or whatever non-M-lenses. I don't see a problem there.  Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted January 8, 2013 Share #607 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) But I assume that you're doing this with a EP-2 or equivalent. Unless you've just broken your NDA Â I don't have an EP-2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 8, 2013 Share #608 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Static or moving subject? Â Jaap, Â Static. I feel with a lens of this 560mm length, for a moving subject, I would need AF. I know others can manage it but I suspect it may be beyond my abilities. Switching backwards and forwards from zoom to non-zoom on the VF could be an issue as well. However, as both Chris and I have noticed, at least you don't have to mess about with the aperture on manual lenses like the Visoflex 400 and 560 as the amplification is good enough. For moving subjects, you would probably be using the lens full open anyway, depending on just how good the higher ISO performance of the 240 will prove to be. Â It is all guesswork only at the moment. The focus peaking may be good enough so you don't need to use zoom. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted January 8, 2013 Share #609 Â Posted January 8, 2013 Focus peaking will only work for a scene with enough micro contrast so that it can peak. If that's not the case then magnification may be the appropriate strategy. My 2 cents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share #610 Â Posted January 8, 2013 I don't have an EP-2. Â Curiouser and curiouser... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 8, 2013 Author Share #611  Posted January 8, 2013 Jaap, Static. I feel with a lens of this 560mm length, for a moving subject, I would need AF. I know others can manage it but I suspect it may be beyond my abilities. Switching backwards and forwards from zoom to non-zoom on the VF could be an issue as well. However, as both Chris and I have noticed, at least you don't have to mess about with the aperture on manual lenses like the Visoflex 400 and 560 as the amplification is good enough. For moving subjects, you would probably be using the lens full open anyway, depending on just how good the higher ISO performance of the 240 will prove to be.  It is all guesswork only at the moment. The focus peaking may be good enough so you don't need to use zoom.  Wilson  Wilson - for the work that I do ( not sport or wild life) I rarely find I need to track.. With the USM Canon 300 2.8 I always work with a tripod and find that with concerts / performance I'm nearly always looking for moments of stillness within the action. And there are usually enough. Autofocus helps, but I think that focus confirm will be almost as quick with the lenses I'm planning to use.  We shall see! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 9, 2013 Share #612 Â Posted January 9, 2013 I remember that post. Very cool!Where can I order that adapter for the M and scope? Thanks. Â Check with the special wishes Department and mention they had it on a scope at Photokina. It was a prototype but the guy knew his stuff since he had made it only 3-4 days before Photokina opened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theno23 Posted January 9, 2013 Share #613 Â Posted January 9, 2013 I thought it was 60fps? Â Olympus VF-2 Electronic Viewfinder (Black) 260057 B&H Photo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 9, 2013 Share #614 Â Posted January 9, 2013 The EVF yes, the camera no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 9, 2013 Share #615 Â Posted January 9, 2013 The EVF yes, the camera no. Â That seems odd, given that I would assume that the Maestro processor and the video display chips probably cost close to as much as a whole bottom of the range Olympus system camera costs, would be considerably more powerful than whatever the Olympus cameras use. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 9, 2013 Share #616 Â Posted January 9, 2013 Yes indeed but the camera is only able to feed the EVF at 30 fps as clear as i understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 9, 2013 Share #617 Â Posted January 9, 2013 What I don't understand is why 30fps should look bad if the processing of the image off the sensor is done right. Motion picture film speed is 24fps and even with 3:2 pull down to 60fps for NTSC tv monitors, it looks great with few artifacts. Â And, 30fps off the sensor the signal only has to be doubled which is much easier to implement and it looks great at 60fps... which the EVF seems to be able to do, right? Â Why would 60fps in the viewfinder look bad if, Leica chooses to do it that way? You don't have to start with a 60fps sensor to get 60fps viewfinder, you just need the processing horsepower to output a nice smooth signal to the EVF display. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 9, 2013 Share #618 Â Posted January 9, 2013 Hope you're right but according to Sean Reid 30 fps is slow enough to "often cause motion blur in the finder image" when either the camera or the subject moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 9, 2013 Share #619 Â Posted January 9, 2013 Hope you're right but according to Sean Reid 30 fps is slow enough to "often cause motion blur in the finder image" when either the camera or the subject moves. Â Maybe (I hope), it is something they can upgrade in firmware, if folks complain. In that I understand from a visitor to Solms before Christmas, that the final production spec was still not yet set in stone, this may be one of the things on the "to do" list. I think February is looking very dubious for M240's reaching our hot sticky hands. One might have hoped that production would have started. I would guess they would need at least one or maybe two months production ready for the launch date. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted January 9, 2013 Share #620 Â Posted January 9, 2013 At least for creating videos, the M seems to downsample the full sensor image rather then selecting single pixels. That should give much better video quality, but requires a full sensor readout, which is more work for the electronics. So that might explain the limited frame rate of 30 fps. Â I would guess that the camera itself is in full production by now - but the final firmware is probably only installed days before shipping. Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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