andybarton Posted October 6, 2012 Share #221 Posted October 6, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thanks for the heads-up, folks. "kasper" is a duplicate account from a previously banned member and this account has now joined the first in that select group. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter H Posted October 6, 2012 Share #222 Posted October 6, 2012 hehe mechanical movement is elegant solution to work likely forever without change battery. I hate to have to go to shop to change battery or the watch does stop to work when I rely on this already much. thats elegant solution for you I do not find $7000 v $100 to save a once-in-five-years battery switch a very elegant solution, to be honest. Rather, the very definition of extravagance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted October 6, 2012 Share #223 Posted October 6, 2012 I do not find $7000 v $100 to save a once-in-five-years battery switch a very elegant solution, to be honest. Rather, the very definition of extravagance! I wont talk about Noctilux, Apo 50 cron vs Canikon comparison. You know already what Im gonna talk about. Believe or not, for watch enthusiasts brands as rolex or Breitling are not exciting, rather mid range brand. Shocking? there are lot of hidden info that we dont know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted October 6, 2012 Share #224 Posted October 6, 2012 Believe or not, for watch enthusiasts brands as rolex or Breitling are not exciting, rather mid range brand. Shocking? there are lot of hidden info that we dont know. Next you will be telling us that "watch enthusiasts" buy "really" expensive watches for time keeping, I expect. "Time keeping" was the operative purpose mentioned by Peter. Much as Ferrari owners buy them mainly for locomotion. And much as Ferraris are not "really expensive" cars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted October 6, 2012 Share #225 Posted October 6, 2012 Next you will be telling us that "watch enthusiasts" buy "really" expensive watches for time keeping, I expect. "Time keeping" was the operative purpose mentioned by Peter. Much as Ferrari owners buy them mainly for locomotion. And much as Ferraris are not "really expensive" cars. I have seen cat, baby , flower, wife shots in thin dof by Noctilux users. Is it so called picture making? At what level? I dont have seen nothing of Magnum photographers level here. So called high class photography from art perspective. At the same way, very little part of All Porsche 911 owners take out their cars on Nurburgring what those cars make their optimal there. Indeed I agree with you and Peter that many dont make most out whatever it is Patek Phillipe, Ferrari or Leica. But who cares? I think what matters is to live. The expensive watch is remainder how little time we have. How our lives are easily abrupted by silly minor accidents that we cease to exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted October 6, 2012 Share #226 Posted October 6, 2012 I was rather amused by the "Kasper Theater". May I suggest the name "Hampelmann" for his next reincarnation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 6, 2012 Share #227 Posted October 6, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) ............ .............. The expensive watch is remainder how little time we have. How our lives are easily abrupted by silly minor accidents that we cease to exist. The Emperor Nero would agree with that I'm sure! For some, economy and restraint through simplicity and purity of function are as beautiful as extravagance and luxury are to others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted October 6, 2012 Share #228 Posted October 6, 2012 The Emperor Nero would agree with that I'm sure! For some, economy and restraint through simplicity and purity of function are as beautiful as extravagance and luxury are to others. Well said! I think it is so ironic that outsiders of Leica world bash how superflous , expensive leica products are. Users are snobs etc. Rangefinder focusing is out of date Then Leica afficinados bash other users of unknown world how other are extravagant while call their own Leica products as pure, simple, functional. The Emperor without clothes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 6, 2012 Share #229 Posted October 6, 2012 Luxury or arts and crafts? Fortunately for all of us, there are still artisans and artists making the most complicated watches, the nicest sounding pianos and the finest cameras in the world. Cost a lot? So what? Nobody's forced to buy a Breguet, a Bosendorfer or a Leica. Very good results can be achieved with a Seiko, a Yamaka or a Nikon. Makes me think that my Seiko's strap has broken twice and i still wear a 30+ y/o Rolex which never had a CLA. Not a Breguet though... ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted October 6, 2012 Share #230 Posted October 6, 2012 For fun, I calculated if I wear Breitling for 50 years, then I pay for "extravagance" or time keeping whether the reader prefers word of choice, it costs 100 euros every year for me. I can live with that. It is about same for Leica equipment . The cost is not included for resale value. For Limited version , it may re pay back without any loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uaqpau Posted October 7, 2012 Share #231 Posted October 7, 2012 This is what Winogrand said about this in an interview: "AP: What kind of cameras do you use? GW: Leicas, and I always have. I don't like SLRs because they manipulate you into doing things, and pictures taken with SLRs are generally recognizable as such." Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanG Posted October 7, 2012 Share #232 Posted October 7, 2012 hehe mechanical movement is elegant solution to work likely forever without change battery. I have about a dozen mechanical watches (most are Bulovas, Omegas, other Swiss models, from the 50s-60s and none are real expensive.) They certainly don't work forever without maintenance or repair. I have a self winding imitation Rolex watch that I bought in Morocco for $20 and it has kept very accurate time for a couple of years now. So I don't know how hard it is to make a decent mechanical movement today. It looks decent too. Breitling has some watches that are more than timekeepers. Some can send out an emergency signal if you need to be rescued. Those use quartz movements but are still expensive for some reason. So you can get cheap mechanical watches and expensive quartz ones too. As for appreciating expensive watches, the Dalai Lama is into them for some reason. So maybe he can explain it. I don't know what is his position on Leicas. If I were a philosopher I'd contemplate what motivates one to make a photo vs. the motivation of owning and using a particular expensive camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomasis7 Posted October 7, 2012 Share #233 Posted October 7, 2012 I have about a dozen mechanical watches (most are Bulovas, Omegas, other Swiss models, from the 50s-60s and none are real expensive.) They certainly don't work forever without maintenance or repair. Saying "work forever" would be big claim so I added "likely". I have a self winding imitation Rolex watch that I bought in Morocco for $20 and it has kept very accurate time for a couple of years now. So I don't know how hard it is to make a decent mechanical movement today. It looks decent too. Breitling has some watches that are more than timekeepers. Some can send out an emergency signal if you need to be rescued. Those use quartz movements but are still expensive for some reason. So you can get cheap mechanical watches and expensive quartz ones too. As for appreciating expensive watches, the Dalai Lama is into them for some reason. So maybe he can explain it. I don't know what is his position on Leicas. If I were a philosopher I'd contemplate what motivates one to make a photo vs. the motivation of owning and using a particular expensive camera. good post, Alan You didnt tried new Rolex yet, they have best movements I think Also the design of current technology is improved. It is not fair to refer back to 50-60s and mention about durability of mechanical movements of year 2012 when computer technology, CNC is available. Though I will use CLA sometimes for peace of mind. The expense from Breitling comes for manufacturing quality. If you visited the factory, you will understand why you do pay for premium price. Im sure one could get good watch at half price of Breitling or less. I think I would be content with Tag Heuer or Oris for 1/2 or 1/3th price. But the problem is that I did fall in love with aesthetics, timeless design of Navitimer. It is like to choose tatoo that follows with you for the rest of life. I had to choose that without looking at price. Other watches as Phillip Patek, Audemars Piquet, Constantin Vacheron , Panerai, Brequet, IWC, Hublot, Zenith look enough unexciting for me (thanks God!) Funny that I run knockoff of Tissot, manufacturing quality of this is terrible, (when I reset chronograph, the handle shows 58 seconds instead of 60 seconds) but it still goes on and I didnt miss buss due wrong time yet. Good that you mentioned Dalai Lama, I have thought writing about him earlier in the thread. Yeah he is into watches, he got all stuffs as gifts , that includes Leica. M6 with some expensive lenses, I think but he sold them to fund Tibetian cause. When Richard Gere (actor) did visit Dalai Lama and showed his photos. He took them with compact Leica with Summarit lense (film) Photos look blurry, it was his intention but Dalai Lama didnt like them and said that the pictures should be tack sharp I like this fellow. I think Dalai Lama would say to your contemplation question: why to contemplate about it if you can use it? if you live poor, live poor. If you live rich, live rich. Something like that Honestly if one has passion for some things and give up other things, one can prioritize his own things. I dont own nothing else except some expensive bicycles, camera kit and a watch soon. I never owned a car, house, didnt spent money on women, dont smoke, dont drink alcohol, not much meat, no sweets, no crap activities etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 7, 2012 Share #234 Posted October 7, 2012 The Dalai Lama has a passion for repairing watches. I've always watched a Patek Phillipe, after the story I heard where the Indian Ambassador (not sure where to - England?) gave him his PP watch. The Dalai Lama took it to bits, and gave it back to His Excellency the ambassador in an envelope! Great guy -I could never afford a Patek Phillipe watch. Breitling? A bit too bling for me. I fly paragliders, and a Suunto Core does me fine - USD 300 ... Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 7, 2012 Share #235 Posted October 7, 2012 An expensive watch may be a joy to wear and use because of it's mechanical qualities and its beauty - that is the analogy to a Leica. That is a perfectly valid reason to own one. BTW, I love my Leica and my pre-coaxial mechanical steel Omega Seamaster (tough, reliable, not outrageously expensive, and understated). However, the only output of an expensive watch is time. It does not necessarily keep time, or provide time of a better quality, than a sub $100 watch as long as that watch is accurate, reliable, and survives in the environment in which is it is needed - it is what one does with that time that matters. The only output of an M-leica (with a good lens) is an image (film or digital), which most of us here would agree is of superior technical quality to almost all lesser priced cameras and lenses. The image created by where one points that camera and exposes the image is unrelated to this issue in the same way as what one does with one's time is unrelated. Hence the comparison of a Leica (which makes photographs) with a fine mechanical watch (which keeps time) can only be pushed so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 7, 2012 Share #236 Posted October 7, 2012 I always wanted to like watches but I just can't wear them. Not only do I find them irritating to wear but I just end up banging and smashing them up. Nice to look at though. I Also, somehow, paradoxically find myself more on time not wearing one. I appreciate the craft that can go into one. I imagine a day, long ago when a "time piece" was a note of status and a highly valuable tool. So obsolete now and I agree, rather extravagant - A perfect reason to have one I suppose! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted October 7, 2012 Share #237 Posted October 7, 2012 These "I blanged my bling" threads leave me cold — and feel all this consumerism should be taken elsewhere. —Mitch/Potomac, MD Bangkok Hysteria (download link for book project) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted October 7, 2012 Share #238 Posted October 7, 2012 These "I blanged my bling" threads leave me cold — and feel all this consumerism should be taken elsewhere. Yes, you have a point there, but this discussion serves 2 purposes in the light of the thread how it started: 1) It was a nice way to shift our attention away from the original poster 2) It was also an interesting analogy for the appeal a Leica mechanical camera may have. Anyway, you are right, there are mechanical watch forums in which threads about the mechanisms are interesting to me, and not the bling parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted October 7, 2012 Share #239 Posted October 7, 2012 I have about a dozen mechanical watches (most are Bulovas' date=' Omegas, other Swiss models, from the 50s-60s and none are real expensive.) They certainly don't work forever without maintenance or repair. I have a self winding imitation Rolex watch that I bought in Morocco for $20 and it has kept very accurate time for a couple of years now. So I don't know how hard it is to make a decent mechanical movement today. It looks decent too. Breitling has some watches that are more than timekeepers. Some can send out an emergency signal if you need to be rescued. Those use quartz movements but are still expensive for some reason. So you can get cheap mechanical watches and expensive quartz ones too. As for appreciating expensive watches, the Dalai Lama is into them for some reason. So maybe he can explain it. I don't know what is his position on Leicas. If I were a philosopher I'd contemplate what motivates one to make a photo vs. the motivation of owning and using a particular expensive camera.[/quote'] I'm not sure of the motivation either. I went through a watch phase also, but I never really enjoyed wearing my expensive Breitlings ( too bulky). I found myself wearing and loving a practical $150 Luminox. I suppose i just appreciate fine mechanical instruments, but after years of wearing these things only one day or so a year, I sold all but a Girard Perregaux (sentimental reasons) to "justify" my purchase of a Summilux 50 and Super Elmar 21. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 7, 2012 Share #240 Posted October 7, 2012 I imagine a day, long ago when a "time piece" was a note of status and a highly valuable tool. So obsolete now and I agree, rather extravagant - A perfect reason to have one I suppose! The gentlemans wristwatch became popular during WW1, men would wear their pocket watches on a leather strap which encased the pocket watch. Then they had jewellers weld lugs onto the case, a more practical solution. They were worn over the sleeve. Then later smaller cases were made specifically to be worn on the wrist. It's fascinating how style evolves. I'm not really a watch person, they are practical things and i like cheap ones, swatches or the s/h Rotary i need a new battery for! I recently bought a restored 'trench watch' with a correct style strap. It's solid silver and keeps excellent time. I doubt it was ever worn in the trenches though! I'd like another now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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