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TheBogart

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Jeff S

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...I guess the LED framelines are not in the works.

 

...Does an M always have to look the same? Mercedes and BMW don't continue to churn out cars that look exactly the same (or nearly exactly the same) continuously.

 

 

The new M (not M-E) has LED framelines.

 

The car analogy works better IMO with the Porsche 911 series (with different numbering now). Same basic body shape, but bigger with newer technologies. Air cooling was once considered sacred, similar to the CCD with the digital M.

 

Jeff

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Bill W

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Wife approval sought and given:).

Lecia-M ordered:).

#2 on list with dealer:)

 

M will be a nice partner for the Monochrom.

Fortunately no new lenses to tempt me:rolleyes:

Very smart approach!!!!!

Does your wife have a sister!!!!!

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MarkP

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Yea! Where are the new lenses Leica?!?

 

Is there anything in particular on your wish list?

 

There are plenty of Leica (or other brand) M-mount lenses around.

They were right to get the cameras sorted out.

 

Also, where are the comments from R lens users who have been waiting for the 'R-solution'?

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rramesh

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I think the M9-P I have just went up in value.

 

  • Compared to M-E
    • The M-E is not as good but uses the same CCD sensor ensuring that it stays current
    • No red dot
    • Silver chrome better that the M-E
    • The only good thing was that they removed the USB

    [*]Compared to M

    • No features of the NEX7 to become a wannabe e.g. video, live view.
    • Why buy a rangefinder if you need to stare at the back screen.
    • I am sure you can add to this list.

Electronics innovation is always dicey. Either you stay at the top of the curve or you fall off. I can only imagine the criticism from users.

 

  • Why no stereo recording?
  • Why only 3 fps burst rate?
  • Why can't it take a picture in video mode?
  • Why can't it align and stitch panorama shots?
  • Will there be a new product every 1 year now to keep up?

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Guest WPalank

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Also, where are the comments from R lens users who have been waiting for the 'R-solution'?

 

they're still on the floor recovering from fainting, heart attacks, etc. ;)

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thrid

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The only good point is that the price hasn't gone thru the roof.

 

 

Without an anti-shake sensor we're still not quite there.

Can you imagine what your videos and low light stills are going to look like?

The videos are going to look like crap, but I guess that doesn't matter cos I don't take videos, but for those that do....

Is it impossible to have an anti-shake technology for still photos? I guess we'll need to wait another 2 years for the new improved M?

 

The Canon 5D series and Nikon DSLR don't have built in anti-shake / stabilization and they produce video that is highly regarded...

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bocaburger

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I would imagine there will be a huge market for encoding lenses for the "Automatic" framelines' date=' either that or you'd need to scroll through a series of menus to set them manually.[/quote']

 

Where is it said the Mnothing doesn't have mechanical actuation for the frame lines? How could 6bit coding trigger the right frames when it was designed so the same code could be reused on lenses of different focal lengths?

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AlanG

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The reality is that this is probably the best that Leica can do right now within their limitations of resources. I am not knocking this product but it is unreasonable to expect them to compete in electronic technology and engineering with the likes of the much bigger firms such as Sony, Canon, Nikon, Panasonic, and Samsung.

 

They don't make sensors let alone have an anti-shake full frame sensor mechanism. And of course IS in their lenses is not in the cards for now. This may be a very good sensor (I have no way of knowing) but considering the reported design of the microlens may be their best solution. And the EVF may be ok for some and not for others. But there is the possibility of a better one in the future... since they have to get that unit elsewhere too.

 

Leica is simply making a better more useful M, not trying to outdo or even meet all the technology and features found in other cameras. That may not be enough for some of course but it seems like it will work for a lot of people.

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WillD

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I've been as interested in the news about the new M10, sorry M, as most have been....but it reminds me slightly of some of the hysteria and patience required for a new Apple product. Indeed on this occasion I think the M has made the same sort of 'leap' as the recent iPhone 5' (except that the M is fatter and the 5 is 18% thinner!).

 

I guess what i am saying is that the M looks like an intelligent and sensible move on from the M9 (but not a massive leap) just as the iPhone 5 is from the 4S (or even the 4 for that matter). The issue is that as a committed Apple advocate and fan I can dump my 4 and get a 5 for £129.99 this Friday (apparently). Whereas it's not going to be quite so easy to continue to upgrade my love affair with Leica.

 

I think it's going to be tough to stay in the Leica digital game, as opposed to the film game (thank god I have my M6).

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AlanG

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Really! Without auto aperture how is this a better R solution than a Canon?

 

My thought is that an EVF will be brighter and peaking and a magnified view will make focusing faster and more accurate than via the optical viewfinder of a DSLR. Although focus confirmation is good with the Canon and MF lenses using a chipped adapter. And focusing via live view on a Canon is very good of course.

 

I am waiting on a Nex 6 with that in mind for a lot of my old lenses and will see what I think. I guess a lot of Nex 7 users and those other Nex users with the clip on EVF know already.

 

I haven't looked at the Leica EVF but remember that I thought the Olympus one that it is based on was pretty decent. The Sony one is better of course.

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jacelech

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Is there anything in particular on your wish list?

 

There are plenty of Leica (or other brand) M-mount lenses around.

They were right to get the cameras sorted out.

 

Also, where are the comments from R lens users who have been waiting for the 'R-solution'?

R user here - lots of interest! I have kept my R lenses even while keeping up with the digital Ms. Occasionally placed Rs with them on a 5D Mk II, but never really satisfied. Never sold a single R, but gave up on the DMR early on and sold that. I was dreading an APS size solution, so this looks very promising indeed and has the chance to breathe life into these wonderful Rs. It appears to improve over the Canon solution in several ways:

 

Stephen Gandy has listed in his Leica R to EOS adapter description (http://www.cameraquest.com/frames/4saleReos.htm):

 

"R Lenses Which will NOT work: Strangely enough not all Leica R lenses protrude in identical ways into camera bodies. The following Leica R lenses are reported to have mirror clearance issues with most if not all adapted EOS cameras: 15/3.5, 16/2.8, 19/2.8 Second Version, 21/4 Mirror Lock Up Version, 35/1.4, 35-70/2.8, 80-200/4.5 First Version. The 24/2.8 and 28-70/3.5-4.5 (2nd version) will not work on the EOS 5D because the rear element protective guard hits the mirror. The 21-35/3.5 Aspherical and 28-90/2.8-4.5 Aspherical is reported not to work on the 1Ds Mk II. Keep in mind there are minor design changes during a lens' lifetime (most of which are not reported by manufacturers), and so the changes are unknown to the public. The first time you mount any adapted lens to any adapted camera, it only makes prudent sense to carefully check mirror clearance. The Canon 5D has a larger than normal EOS mirror, so take extra care mounting lenses. This list is not represented as complete. If you find other Leica R mount lenses which will not mount safely on the EOS adapters, let me know and I will add to this list."

 

So M may be compatible with these exotic R lenses. It also provides peak focusing for the macros, telephotos and Summilux lenses.I like the possibility of finer focusing with these and some of the exotic M lenses like the Noctilux and the 75 Summilux and the possibility of focusing closer than 0.7m using certain R lenses, something that occasionally I have missed in the otherwise smaller and more agile M system in crowded settings or certain portraits.

 

I've used the Olympus EVF on their Pen cameras and loved it (more versatile than the EM-D) - except in dim light, where optical rangefinders outperform them, so how well the new M will allow you to see the image in dim settings remains to be seen. Looking forward to some of the great reviews, such asSean Reid's. How it will work and feel in the hand, how it will function on a tripod and what the files will look like remain to be seen, but I suspect we're all watching very closely.

 

Love the Vimeo video with Jean Gaumy. I have his "Men at Sea" - what an incredible portfolio!

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