rramesh Posted July 26, 2012 Share #21 Posted July 26, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I am still waiting for the 18, 24, 28, 35, 50, 75, 90, 135 f/1 ASPH octa-noctilux, possibly with a periscope rangefinder accessory due to limitations provided by physics. In that case only one lens would be enough, dump the rest of the range, save development costs. I am still waiting for the innovation where you can simply see and print the image from your memory. Of course this will be limited by your eyesight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 26, 2012 Posted July 26, 2012 Hi rramesh, Take a look here 28mm f/1.4 lens coming - firm evidence?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
mmradman Posted July 26, 2012 Share #22 Posted July 26, 2012 I am still waiting for the innovation where you can simply see and print the image from your memory. Of course this will be limited by your eyesight. 1+ And it would be nice to hum a tune and have it captured on score sheets, watch out Bach. The tone deaf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenerrolrd Posted July 26, 2012 Share #23 Posted July 26, 2012 Could someone explain the value of such a lens (besides its $ value) from a photographer's stand point? Most often 28mm is used for reportage and folks often zone focus knowing it's a wide view. I don't see wide open and zone focus going hand-in-hand. The 28/2 sum micron is my most used lens and accounts for about 25% of my 100K images and probably 40% of my street and travel work. The 28mm FOV on a Leica is about perfect for street . Its as wide as you can reliably go without distorting faces ,its wide enough to avoid clipping of hands and feet when working closer and it provides wonderful context around the subject . You can focus thru the viewfinder ,prefocus or range focus ...I shoot plenty with angles lower than my knees and sometimes over my head . The 28 has enough FOv to account for minor cropping errors . Yet indoor and in the twilight hours ...until the M system has high quality ISO1600 (use the Nikon D4 as a reference point ) ..you can benefit from the greater light gathering . At ISO 800 and F2 its a few EV short of whats needed for twilight hours . The other aspect is of course the ability to use selective focus (narrow DOF ) to isolate the subject from the background . These are of course on the margin improvements but well worth for a focal length I will use everyday , Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenerrolrd Posted July 26, 2012 Share #24 Posted July 26, 2012 I missed the consideration about the EVIL-H ...... Also during the Berlin event and after there were several references to creating smaller M lenses ...so it would be a decent guess that a 28/1.4 would be smaller than the 24/1.4 . I just hope they maintain the standard . The new 21/3.4 asph is a superb lens in a small form ..handles beautifully on the street . Same for the 35/1.4asph FLE . Both lenses hit the mark in optical excellence and at the same time have wonderful handling . But will the design be aimed at the uber premium market $5-7000 ? My guess is summiluxes will be the very best and be very expensive . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jplomley Posted July 26, 2012 Share #25 Posted July 26, 2012 The 28/2 sum micron is my most used lens and accounts for about 25% of my 100K images and probably 40% of my street and travel work. The 28mm FOV on a Leica is about perfect for street . Its as wide as you can reliably go without distorting faces ,its wide enough to avoid clipping of hands and feet when working closer and it provides wonderful context around the subject . You can focus thru the viewfinder ,prefocus or range focus ...I shoot plenty with angles lower than my knees and sometimes over my head . The 28 has enough FOv to account for minor cropping errors . Yet indoor and in the twilight hours ...until the M system has high quality ISO1600 (use the Nikon D4 as a reference point ) ..you can benefit from the greater light gathering . At ISO 800 and F2 its a few EV short of whats needed for twilight hours . The other aspect is of course the ability to use selective focus (narrow DOF ) to isolate the subject from the background . These are of course on the margin improvements but well worth for a focal length I will use everyday , Agree 100%. However, having used v3, v4, and the v5 Asph, I settled on the Mandler designed v3, despite it's somewhat larger size. On film, the drawing is gorgeous with beautiful smooth tonal transitions. Hopefully a 28/1.4 would maintain these characterisitics as opposed to uber-crispness at the expense of all other desireable lens attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sepiareverb Posted January 2, 2014 Share #26 Posted January 2, 2014 Any current rumors of the 28/1.4? I'm still hoping! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 3, 2014 Share #27 Posted January 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) That is good evidence. And given the strong current Leica tendency to fly in the face of practicality – not to speak of the Leica Ethos –*we may indeed se such a lens soon. The practical arguments against it do still hold. It will block so much of the 28mm field in the finder that it will need an auxiliary finder, either a conventional optical one, or a push-on 'Visoflex' EVF. But today, we are obviously above such mundane considerations. A Leica M is no longer a tool for taking pictures, but for projecting its owner's image – and money. The problem is of course that this will likely spell the end of the excellent – and practical – 28mm Summicron ASPH. Get one while you can, if this is a focal length for you. The old man from the Age of Evidence I miss that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 3, 2014 Share #28 Posted January 3, 2014 That post just reminds me why I miss Lars Bergquist's contributions to this forum. I do not know what became of him since he had a stroke at the end of 2012. I wish him well but fear the worst. Just as the 21mm and 24mm Elmarits were retired, the same may soon be true of the 28mm Summicron which would be a pity as the replacement would almost inevitably be a large and expensive Summilux and the other 28mm - the Elmarit - is a bit of a contrast enfant terrible. A 28mm Summilux would also steal sales from Leica's adjacent lenses - especially the 24 and the 35 - and while the lens catalogue has been rationalised into "cheap and slow" and "fast and expensive" offerings at each focal length, the 28mm Summicron is still a delight. It will be interesting to see what Leica introduces next. I have to say using the 28-90 Elmarit-R over Christmas and New Year has been great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 3, 2014 Share #29 Posted January 3, 2014 Retirements are not inevitable if the availability of the 50mm Summicron and 35mm Summicron are anything to go by. Any 28mm f1.4 lens would be an entirely different kettle of fish compared to the f2, it would be bigger, which most people won't want, faster, which most people won't need, and more expensive, which will strangely appeal to some, but won't appeal to most. As the 28mm Summicron is already one of Leica's very best lenses there isn't going that much appeal in a fat, heavy and expensive replacement, and for what, the MM is already good at high ISO and in a few months the M360 will be even better than the M240. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Marc G. Posted January 3, 2014 Share #30 Posted January 3, 2014 That post just reminds me why I miss Lars Bergquist's contributions to this forum. I do not know what became of him since he had a stroke at the end of 2012. I wish him well but fear the worst. Just as the 21mm and 24mm Elmarits were retired, the same may soon be true of the 28mm Summicron which would be a pity as the replacement would almost inevitably be a large and expensive Summilux and the other 28mm - the Elmarit - is a bit of a contrast enfant terrible. A 28mm Summilux would also steal sales from Leica's adjacent lenses - especially the 24 and the 35 - and while the lens catalogue has been rationalised into "cheap and slow" and "fast and expensive" offerings at each focal length, the 28mm Summicron is still a delight. It will be interesting to see what Leica introduces next. I have to say using the 28-90 Elmarit-R over Christmas and New Year has been great. I don't think the 28 Summicron will vanish. After all we also got a Summilux, Summicron and a slower lens, the Summarit in the 35's. A Leica employee told me that if a 28 Summilux comes the Summicron will not get discontinued. I also don't consider the Elmarit ASPH to be an enfant terrible. No reason to fear anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 3, 2014 Share #31 Posted January 3, 2014 the MM is already good at high ISO In 2014, there is more to wide apertures than low ISO Besides, I guess the 28 Lux will not be much bigger than the 35, and smaller than the 24. Will it sell ? Great lenses always sell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted January 4, 2014 Share #32 Posted January 4, 2014 If Leica is keen to introduce a crop sensor interchangeable lens camera, a 28 f/1.4 makes perfect sense. After all wouldn't this be the best way to gain maximum moolah from those who desire Leica? Also a 28 Summilux will work very well with an EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted January 4, 2014 Share #33 Posted January 4, 2014 If Leica is keen to introduce a crop sensor interchangeable lens camera, a 28 f/1.4 makes perfect sense. After all wouldn't this be the best way to gain maximum moolah from those who desire Leica? Also a 28 Summilux will work very well with an EVF. I can't see Leica doing that. The temptation to relax corrections in the corners (because a cropped sensor wouldn't need the corners) might be too much. On the other hand pushing performance out to the corners of full-frame would make the lens so expensive only the M heads would buy it. I would never buy a 28 Summilux but I'm not against them at all, just not my cup of tea. However, as mentioned upthread, a 24 Summicron would be delicious (and I'm not a 24 kinda guy). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 4, 2014 Share #34 Posted January 4, 2014 In 2014, there is more to wide apertures than low ISO Oh no, you don't mean if a 28mm Summilux is released we'll get a million 'look at my DOF posts' do you? I honestly don't know why people don't just use any lens to take a photograph that is completely out of focus to wallow in the creamy tones? Whatever it costs, maybe $6000, is a high price to pay for anybody wanting to contribute to the forum, but none the less I'll help out with some universal advice.... 1) A 3 or 4 stop ND will be needed, from B+W because they are reassuringly expensive. 2) Post first on the Lens forum asking if the bokeh looks OK and if the slight vignette is normal or should it go back to Leica, then post the same picture (don't worry, you don't have to choose, they'll all look the same) in the Photo Forum. 3) Get some comments from the Photo Forum then post the same picture again (don't worry any will do, you only photograph the picket fence) in the M240 forum asking if the focus shift is normal and should you send your camera and lens back to Leica. 4) Post your first 'in focus' wide aperture snap on all the Forums! Then you can put the awesome 28mm Summilux back in the drawer because by then Leica will have introduced another awesome new lens. Follow this advice roadmap and anybody can pre-write all their forum posts ready for the day they grab a 'Lux at the local store or the big brown van delivers it to some house in the next town. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveclem Posted January 4, 2014 Share #35 Posted January 4, 2014 That ^^^^^ made me chuckle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted January 4, 2014 Share #36 Posted January 4, 2014 Oh no, you don't mean if a 28mm Summilux is released we'll get a million 'look at my DOF posts' do you? I honestly don't know why people don't just use any lens to take a photograph that is completely out of focus to wallow in the creamy tones? Don't worry. I believe there are less than a million idiots in this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 4, 2014 Share #37 Posted January 4, 2014 Don't worry. I believe there are less than a million idiots in this forum. Once upon a time in a garden far away there were only two idiots, now look what happened! Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 4, 2014 Share #38 Posted January 4, 2014 A 28/1.4 would be necessarily bigger than the 28/2 anyway. Something like the 24/1.4 i guess. Hence mandatory EVF or OVF. Thanks no thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted January 4, 2014 Share #39 Posted January 4, 2014 A 28/1.4 would be necessarily bigger than the 28/2 anyway. Something like the 24/1.4 i guess. Hence mandatory EVF or OVF. Thanks no thanks. Yes. With a 21, whether the SEM or Summilux one needs an external OVF (or EVF) so it matters less if the lens is larger. Very different to needing an external VF for a lens which has internal VF framelines - I like my fast lenses but would not be buying a 28 Summilux if released. I'd rather see Leica work on more very compact lenses such as the 40 Summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted January 4, 2014 Share #40 Posted January 4, 2014 Once upon a time in a garden far away there were only two idiots, now look what happened! Steve You mean a bearded guy in a nightshirt and his snake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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