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[bayerische]

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Nice shots, Car.

 

Where were they shot? Latin America? Spain?

 

--HC

 

--HC

 

I'm guessing, Egypt, Red Sea. Maybe sharm el Sheikh?

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[carstenw]

Is it really so European there? I was just in Egypt in October, but didn't see anything like this (especially with the Cold Drinks sign). I would have guessed New Mexico or Arizona.

[fotografr]

Sorry to be contrary here, but looking at these images I'm hard pressed to see how any of them were composed with the main subject smack in the middle. The only possible exception is the shot with the seagull, and the bird is in flight, making it somewhat difficult to quickly recompose. The horizon line, however, is very near the top of the frame and, personally, I rather like the seagull right where it is. In the third image, the statue is clearly in the left half portion of the frame, and in the last one the children are in the bottom half portion. In the first image posted, the main part of the building is framed far to the right. I see nothing here that is centered.

 

So, as the old Wendy's commercial asked, "Where's the beef?" If we are going to criticize someone's composition, let's at least get it right.

[bayerische]

Is it really so European there? I was just in Egypt in October, but didn't see anything like this (especially with the Cold Drinks sign). I would have guessed New Mexico or Arizona.

 

 

Ohh, Sharm el Sheikh and the other Red Sea tourist cities, are models of America with straight boulevards littered wit McD, KFC, HRC and BK .

 

Real world Disney land.

[jaapv]

Aren't the "rules" of composition ummm....a little dogmatic? The subject is- where the the artist decides -the centre of our attention excentric in the image -yes?

[carcam]

I'm feeling better now. I will be more careful next time before posting pictures. I appreciate the support from fellow Forum members. I do try to not center images most of the time; with the focusing being in the center of the M8, I'm finding more centered pictures so I know I need to focus and recompose, etc.

 

And I do appreciate Imants input. It could have been more tactful but I understand. Every Board has an "Imants". He's clearly at a higher level artistically and photographically and after checking his website, I'm more impressed than offended. I don't even have a website- (my ill-fated website of surgical cases and procedures is long gone). I enjoy Porsches and drive a new turbo and am sometimes humbled by the lesser Boxster or M3 putting me in my place at track events. I can handle it. There is an "Imants" on the Porsche Boards who is a Ferrari guy and is constantly playing the "devils advocate" and he makes us all take a good hard look at our biased enthusiasm and I often hate to agree with his input.

 

These pictures were from a resort in Playacar, Mexico, the Royal Hideaway. Very nice, relaxed, indulgent.

[stunsworth]

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It's interesting how many 'awesome' photographers I read about that say they really only get 1%-2% keepers. It seems to me they are getting those shots as much by good luck and chance as the rest of us, yet they only show that 1%-2%, and we think that is all they did.

1% to 2% seems reasonable to me. I post more than that here, but that's just weakness on my part :-). When I was doing my picture a week project in 2002 I'd shoot maybe 5 rolls of film a week and chose one image plus a couple of alternatives. A lot less than 1% for the 'real' shots - but then I make no claims to be a great photographer. Out of the 250-300 rolls of film I shot that year I'd say there were 10 at most that I was really happy with. Personally I'd be happy to take one world class shot (whatever that means) in my entre life. Most of us do far worse.

 

Surely no one who has ever taken photography seriously would think that the published work by HCB, Ronis, Doisneau, or anyone else represeted their entire output.

 

Anyhow, whatever the merits, or otherwise, of the photographs above they belong in the photo forum IMHO.

[ho_co]

Perhaps apropos of the one to two percent number:

 

If I knew how to take a good photograph, I'd take one every time.

—Robert Doisneau

 

 

 

--HC

[Guest stnami]

......ee how any of them were composed with the main subject smack in the middle

that was about these images on this thread and it was a response to a statement on this thread about me saying nothing practical.....images here

http://www.leica-camera-user.com/digital-forum/18400-impressing-nikon-man-take-2-a.html

 

@Imants--do you have an M8

No I am sitting on the fence to see what transpires plus have other commitments both financually and in what I am trying to do with colour images which probably asks for a return to film I do have access to a variety of cameras (m8 included) on a daily basis in my teaching, some of these novices have cameras beyond their skill level and my job is to show them how to get the thing to work for them. So its about image not camera

 

Back to what's here..... There is nothing wrong with posting an image and saying ....... I am happy with the colours but blew out the highlights on the second bumper bar of the Hoden EH, or can't seem to get the DOF right at 2.3 meters

 

If you guys want to fill up this forum with images then so be it........ lots of would be posters without a m8 already feel swamped by the sheer number of posts. All other cameras get passed by. Adding a string of m8 images will only make the digital forum one dimensional. Sure I understand its a new camera etc....... don't chuck a balistic with that it is just so at the moment

 

Frank on "Everybody Loves Raymond"

... who's Frank and what's a Raymond

 

ps I have only passed scathincriticism on three images a crappy image with cobblestones and a palm tree, a parking spot and a sunset vista of a beach. All hell breaks loose.....sheeerreeesk

 

 

 

so I wil go back to painting my kitchen.. see photo with the fridge dead smack in the middle:eek:...should I have included the feet of the dead person?

[davidmires]

nice fridge...seriously.

[mwalker649]

Frank is a character on a sitcom in the states. He is blunt and a ass but he means well

[ho_co]

see photo with the fridge dead smack in the middle:eek:...should I have included the feet of the dead person?

That's a fridge? With glass front? Gee, I always have to remember what part of the refrigerator I put the asparagus in.

 

And, yes, more feet please.

 

Imants--your point is good: Do these images belong here? The general rule is that pictures go in the pictures section, and only images indicating flaws or points needing clarification or demonstration of points previously questioned regarding a digital Leica image should be posted here. But the moderators are a bit lax about observing the rule.

 

I think most of the objections (including mine) ignored that point and simply said, 'hey, the man posted some pictures he wanted to show--don't jump his case just because he isn't up to your artistic level.'

 

The reason I asked about the M8 was that although I don't have one either, I do recognize that a lot of people who do are so excited about it that they want to share their pictures.

 

Enough on it. I like the refrigerator. Possibly even more than the pix of Playacar, though, so my opinion may be suspect.

 

--HC

[sm23221]

Nice photos carcam. I too have rediscovered the joy of not lugging around my 1DsII. I like your photos and share your enthusiasm with you. Stnami seems to be constipated.

[Guest sirvine]

Brent,

 

I found that you yourself are guilty of center placement in your own online gallery! See this egregious example here: ShutterFreaks Galleries :: Miscellany :: 2_wheeled_planter

 

Seriously, though, Imants has a good point: images come before equipment.

[hammam]

Sure, images come before equipment. And it's the photographer, not the camera. Sure. Everybody agrees on that. But I find it funny to read this kind of statement almost always on Leica forums. Is it some sort of mantra to exorcise a hidden sense of guilt for owning and using some of the most expensive photographic equipment?

[joern]

Is it some sort of mantra to exorcise a hidden sense of guilt for owning and using some of the most expensive photographic equipment?

 

Yes, it is. And it is caused by high gloss brochures and subtle marketing strategies of most any camera manufacturer.

 

In fact, everybody needs attention to what he has done with passion. But there is passion and passion.

 

The pictures posted by carcam are meaning a lot for him, at least at the moment. But they are changeable. I will not longer remember them after closing this page.

 

So does it realy help to say (for example) i like the colors? For me this is more critic than saying nothing at all.

 

BTW, the snapshot taken by Imants i will remember. What an ugly foot ;-)

 

jørn

 

 

Let us make a special effort to stop communicating with each other, so we can have some conversation.

Mark Twain

[scott kirkpatrick]

BTW, the snapshot taken by Imants i will remember. What an ugly foot ;-)

 

but what an enormous fridge! It belongs with the enormous red stove that Jono Slack was boasting about in an image a few weeks back. I think there is a food/camera connection in this forum, not to mention the amount of wine that shows up.

 

scott

[Rolo]

Best photo of a fridge I've ssen in a long while. What's the freezer like ?

 

I agree with the posting of images in the Photo Section, but the M8 'test images' would just swamp and ruin the Photo Section with sheer volume. These dumps from the SD cards would fill pages, cycle the entries much more quickly and spoil any attempt for members to show their work.

 

From what I observe, the M8 entries in the digital section are not about the image, but about the joy of receiving a working sample. On balance, the are best they are, or in a new "I've got an M8" section for like minded enthusiasts.

 

Rolo

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[rosuna]

1% to 2% seems reasonable to me. I post more than that here, but that's just weakness on my part :-). When I was doing my picture a week project in 2002 I'd shoot maybe 5 rolls of film a week and chose one image plus a couple of alternatives. A lot less than 1% for the 'real' shots - but then I make no claims to be a great photographer. Out of the 250-300 rolls of film I shot that year I'd say there were 10 at most that I was really happy with. Personally I'd be happy to take one world class shot (whatever that means) in my entre life. Most of us do far worse.

 

Surely no one who has ever taken photography seriously would think that the published work by HCB, Ronis, Doisneau, or anyone else represeted their entire output.

 

Anyhow, whatever the merits, or otherwise, of the photographs above they belong in the photo forum IMHO.

 

Was the same for Winogrand, maybe the best example of low rating of "keep" shots. Taking photographs is only a part of the job. You respond to visual stimulations around us, and press the shutter. Then, you must to have some criteria for your choices, what picture should be keept and what must be rejected. Those criteria cannot be employed during the "shooting", except under controlled conditions (studio photography, slow landscape photography).

 

This article is very, very interesting for any M photographer, and a pleasure to read:

 

http://www.photogs.com/bwworld/xtol1.html

 

and this interview:

 

http://www.jnevins.com/garywinograndreading.htm

 

R.

 

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[Guest stnami]

... separate freezer, two ovens, a woodfied oven, 6x1 meters of stainless steel preperation benching, 45 square meters of kitchen, the list goes on and on........ and there is only two of us. plus the hound who listens to me reciting Satre...

 

... on the other note......... as Rolo says give the m8 back its playground