New Firmware 1.092 thoughts/ Read instructions

[hammam]

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Ok, I think I am going to price my profiles in the future at exactly the price of a mid-sized Leica filter

 

If someone here can give me the name of a nice web shop that takes paypal, I'll buy a Heliopan as a tester.

 

Edmund

 

I had friends buy two for me in NYC, at Tamarkin. They sell on-line, but they don't take Paypal. Only credit cards. Neither Adorama or B&H have them.

[hammam]

I find it very surprising that the first shot shows more saturation and a slightly lower exposure level than the second one, resulting in a warmer tone. I think that is of more influence on the final impression than IR rendering.

 

What do you mean by «final impression»? I think exactly the opposite. I think the warmer tone comes from more IR. Just look at the woolen cap. Again, both photos have been treated exactly the same, ie no level or color or curves manipulation whatsoever. Just a half stop more exposure on both.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Oliver i will add that one too

[barjohn]

Guy, on another thread there was discussion of the split sensor issue and it still being there in 1.092. And how about the ability to tell the camera whether you have a filter on the lens or not? Finally, either the ability to tell the camera th f stop in use for exif recording or having the camera store the estimated f stop value based on the second sensor.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

updated

 

1. Let the camera go to sleep, take a picture to wake it from sleep mode, the title bar over the review image still says 0/0.

 

2. The legend for the display time/histogram may now say "hold/Histogram" but why not "Hold/Histogram" or, if space is tight, "Hold/histogram"?

 

3. Was in the menu and it started scrolling repeatedly downwards without any input from me.

 

4 Problem with the reference pixels being corrupted by a bright light at the image border has not been fixed Green band

 

5 sadly it looks like one of thier fixes was removing the ability to see the preview in B/W

 

6 The shutter does sound different. I think I like it better--it's more "clicky" when it fires but not really louder that I can notice

 

7 I didn't notice a real improvement in AWB

 

8 Lens selection option "in menu" like the Nikon D2 lineup, would solve a lot of compatibility issues...

 

9 Would love the feature, again like the Nikon D2 series, to be able to put ina name/copyright notice straight to every images exif info from the meny

(the add comment feature...) works great and keep's scatter brains like me

from forgetting to copyright my images.

 

10 THINK the WBs are more inconsistent. «Tungsten» is still bad

 

11 I dumped my M8's yesterday and will get my money back. I got the banding on many shots without even trying, under pretty normal indoor shooting conditions. As soon as I realised this problem wasn't fixed in the new firmware and that 1.10 is over a month away I decided it really wasn't worth me waiting around

 

12 Changing "compression" in the set menu does not update the frame counter until a frame is fired or the camera is power cycled

 

13 Menu scrolling occasionally jumps two places instead of the expected one with only a "one notch" turn of the wheel

 

14 I am wondering why there is a menu option to turn off lens detection. Leaving it on with uncoded lenses makes no difference in my experience

 

15 When I finally got that stopped and set the card to format, instead of taking a few seconds as it normally does, the blinking red light and format window stayed on and on... I gave up after waiting about 10 minute

 

16 Did this change from 1.091 to 1.092

 

Old color matrix

ColorMatrix1:

0.6863 -0.1407 -0.0775

-0.3086 1.1390 0.1921

-0.0971 0.2791 0.6609

ColorMatrix2:

0.6863 -0.1407 -0.0775

-0.3086 1.1390 0.1921

-0.0971 0.2791 0.6609

 

V1.092 Color Matrix

ColorMatrix1:

1.0469 -0.5314 0.1280

-0.4326 1.2176 0.2419

-0.0886 0.2473 0.7160

ColorMatrix2:

0.7675 -0.2195 -0.0305

-0.5860 1.4118 0.1857

-0.2425 0.4007 0.6578

 

This should change the color rendering of any DNG aware Raw processor

 

17 When I 'Deleted all files' on my SD Extreme III 2Gbyte card it showed the progress bar as complete, but the camera was 'frozen' - it would not switch off or respond to any buttons. Removed Battery, replaced it and then Formatted the Card, all OK - a test pic was Ok and was deleted OK

 

18 I always like to give my Cards a (unique, personal) Volume Name. Leica suggests/demands that all cards are formatted 'in camera' - and gives the card a default Volume Name of 'NONAME', and no facility to change it.

 

19 The Heliopan does a better job at cutting the IR. But there is definitely more magenta cast in both than with firmware 1.09, so they ARE tweaking the color curves or response or something (I'm not much of a technician in these things) in 1.092.

 

20 split sensor the processing channels are not matching up

 

21 filter on /off provision

 

22 camera the f stop in use for exif recording or having the camera store the estimated f stop value based on the second sensor.

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[jaapv]

What do you mean by «final impression»? I think exactly the opposite. I think the warmer tone comes from more IR. Just look at the woolen cap. Again, both photos have been treated exactly the same, ie no level or color or curves manipulation whatsoever. Just a half stop more exposure on both.

 

I mean the way they look with the higher saturation and lower exposure give # 1 a warmer look. We agree on that. It may well be IR, but I think a number of factors come together.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

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updated

 

1. Let the camera go to sleep, take a picture to wake it from sleep mode, the title bar over the review image still says 0/0.

 

2. The legend for the display time/histogram may now say "hold/Histogram" but why not "Hold/Histogram" or, if space is tight, "Hold/histogram"?

 

3. Was in the menu and it started scrolling repeatedly downwards without any input from me.

 

4 Problem with the reference pixels being corrupted by a bright light at the image border has not been fixed Green band

 

5 sadly it looks like one of thier fixes was removing the ability to see the preview in B/W

 

6 The shutter does sound different. I think I like it better--it's more "clicky" when it fires but not really louder that I can notice

 

7 I didn't notice a real improvement in AWB

 

8 Lens selection option "in menu" like the Nikon D2 lineup, would solve a lot of compatibility issues...

 

9 Would love the feature, again like the Nikon D2 series, to be able to put ina name/copyright notice straight to every images exif info from the meny

(the add comment feature...) works great and keep's scatter brains like me

from forgetting to copyright my images.

 

10 THINK the WBs are more inconsistent. «Tungsten» is still bad

 

11 I dumped my M8's yesterday and will get my money back. I got the banding on many shots without even trying, under pretty normal indoor shooting conditions. As soon as I realised this problem wasn't fixed in the new firmware and that 1.10 is over a month away I decided it really wasn't worth me waiting around

 

12 Changing "compression" in the set menu does not update the frame counter until a frame is fired or the camera is power cycled

 

13 Menu scrolling occasionally jumps two places instead of the expected one with only a "one notch" turn of the wheel

 

14 I am wondering why there is a menu option to turn off lens detection. Leaving it on with uncoded lenses makes no difference in my experience

 

15 When I finally got that stopped and set the card to format, instead of taking a few seconds as it normally does, the blinking red light and format window stayed on and on... I gave up after waiting about 10 minute

 

16 Did this change from 1.091 to 1.092

 

Old color matrix

ColorMatrix1:

0.6863 -0.1407 -0.0775

-0.3086 1.1390 0.1921

-0.0971 0.2791 0.6609

ColorMatrix2:

0.6863 -0.1407 -0.0775

-0.3086 1.1390 0.1921

-0.0971 0.2791 0.6609

 

V1.092 Color Matrix

ColorMatrix1:

1.0469 -0.5314 0.1280

-0.4326 1.2176 0.2419

-0.0886 0.2473 0.7160

ColorMatrix2:

0.7675 -0.2195 -0.0305

-0.5860 1.4118 0.1857

-0.2425 0.4007 0.6578

 

This should change the color rendering of any DNG aware Raw processor

 

17 When I 'Deleted all files' on my SD Extreme III 2Gbyte card it showed the progress bar as complete, but the camera was 'frozen' - it would not switch off or respond to any buttons. Removed Battery, replaced it and then Formatted the Card, all OK - a test pic was Ok and was deleted OK

 

18 I always like to give my Cards a (unique, personal) Volume Name. Leica suggests/demands that all cards are formatted 'in camera' - and gives the card a default Volume Name of 'NONAME', and no facility to change it.

 

19 The Heliopan does a better job at cutting the IR. But there is definitely more magenta cast in both than with firmware 1.09, so they ARE tweaking the color curves or response or something (I'm not much of a technician in these things) in 1.092.

 

20 split sensor the processing channels are not matching up

 

21 filter on /off provision

 

22 camera the f stop in use for exif recording or having the camera store the estimated f stop value based on the second sensor.

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BTW these quotes are from you guys i added just a couple names like Green blob so i know what they mean. And no I did NOT sell my camera's , there almost at the dead cold hands stage. LOL

 

This is a list that I can give to Leica when I see them Friday

[hammam]

Thank you, Guy. I'm really looking forward to see if it's me seing things, or if indedd there is a change in the IR response.

 

In the meantime, I'm in awe of the work and time and dedication you put in the M8! This is really commendable, and much appreciated. I hope Leica will give you something in return, to you, and Sean, and Jamie, and Edmund, and all the others I forget. Thanks a lot, guys.

[ho_co]

About 6 weeks ago my dealer in London showed me the official Leica price list which included the filters. I wasn't pleased at all, they were much more expensive than the B+W 486. I wish I'd taken note but I can't remember the figures. Suffice to say I immediately ordered several B+W ones from foto-huppert.de and have just given them a further order.

Oops!

 

Thanks, Bob. Please disregard my unfounded hopefulness...!

 

And thanks for the warning.

 

--HC

[cmb_]

Guy, In addition to the M8 list you have for Leica on Friday, please don't forget to make some inquiries about the R. Many thanks in advance.

[barjohn]

I found a couple of more minor bugs that need to be added if others can duplicate.

 

1. The exposure lock via a 1/2 press does not seem to be working consistently if at all. I can try and point the camera one place and get a reading and 1/2 press the shutter button and then move the lens toward the over exposing light source and almost every time the shutter spped will change rather than holding the lock.

 

2. The 2s self timer setting, the first time you press the button it fires instatnly rather than delyaing for 2 s. Also it is almost impossible to do an exposure lock. Instead it fires the shutter no matter how carefully I try and 1/2 press.

 

Anyone else notice this?

[Jamie Roberts]

I found a couple of more minor bugs that need to be added if others can duplicate.

 

1. The exposure lock via a 1/2 press does not seem to be working consistently if at all. I can try and point the camera one place and get a reading and 1/2 press the shutter button and then move the lens toward the over exposing light source and almost every time the shutter spped will change rather than holding the lock.

 

2. The 2s self timer setting, the first time you press the button it fires instatnly rather than delyaing for 2 s. Also it is almost impossible to do an exposure lock. Instead it fires the shutter no matter how carefully I try and 1/2 press.

 

Anyone else notice this?

 

1. No--mine works fine

 

2. Yes--there appears to be nothing but a half press for the self timer.

 

@ Guy--one more thing to ask Leica for is the possibility of an "auto ISO" feature, either from M (where you select aperture and shutter and M8 shifts ISO appropriately) or from Auto (where ISO shift is tied to shutter safe position, or something, eg. you hit the shutter limit for the lens and the ISO shifts up or down accordingly).

 

This is for after they fix the green blob lighting thing.

[barjohn]

Thanks, Jamie, you are right the exposure lock does work. I thought it was to the first pressure point, but it is actually to the second pressure point where the lock occurs and a red dot lights up to signifiy exposure lock.

 

On the auto ISO, why not just add it to the ISO menu? Seems simpler to me.

[scott kirkpatrick]

1. No--mine works fine

 

2. Yes--there appears to be nothing but a half press for the self timer.

 

1. The fine line between exposure lock and firing the shutter has always been a little tricky. Is that supposed to be "factory adjustable?" Or could it be loosened up in future delivered bodies?

 

2. I agree, that self-timer starts the countdown at the slightest touch, but hasn't it always? Can some timid soul who is still running 1.09 or 1.06 please check?

 

scott

[wlaidlaw]

I found a couple of more minor bugs that need to be added if others can duplicate.

 

1. The exposure lock via a 1/2 press does not seem to be working consistently if at all. I can try and point the camera one place and get a reading and 1/2 press the shutter button and then move the lens toward the over exposing light source and almost every time the shutter spped will change rather than holding the lock.

 

2. The 2s self timer setting, the first time you press the button it fires instatnly rather than delyaing for 2 s. Also it is almost impossible to do an exposure lock. Instead it fires the shutter no matter how carefully I try and 1/2 press.

 

Anyone else notice this?

 

John,

 

I agree that the self timer on 2sec seems to have gone completely screwy. I set it to 2 secs and it fired immediately. I then noticed that the ISO was still on 1250 from last night. I reset it to 160 and then without touching the release, the camera fired off another shot after a 2 secs delay, which also showed as such on the LCD.

 

I too had had difficulty with the exposure lock until I got an Abrahamson Softie. I think we are all used to two pressure releases and the three pressure will take some time for the brain to re-pattern itself.

 

Guy,

 

Another one for you - what WOULD we do without you.

 

Wilson

[mike prevette]

I haven't heard it mentioned here before but on my original hardware M8 the vertical stripe that used to be approx 2/3 across the frame in high iso shots is now completly gone. (see here:

)

1250/ 1/60th DNG pushed +4 in lightroom

_mike

[barjohn]

I thought I would poast some shots of a Gretagmacbeth Color Chart at each ISO. These are converted in LR with M8 default profile, auto WB and not tweeking or noise reduction. Shot in tungsten light. The first is at 160, then 320, 640, 1250 and finally 2500

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[barjohn]

Here are some 100% crops. The second one has jaggies from my attempt to rotate it and streighten it. Same sequence.

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[stunsworth]

Hi John, I'm probably being stupid here (not for the first time I might add :-), but what are we supposed to be looking for with these shots?

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[marknorton]

Noise looks much improved to me...