Guest guy_mancuso Posted March 7, 2007 Share #141 Â Posted March 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Popflash has 55mm in stock , got a e-mail yesterday. I have a 52mm if anyone needs it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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robsteve Posted March 7, 2007 Share #142  Posted March 7, 2007 Howard, you're probably right. Leicas must have tweaked the response to IR in 1.092 more towards the B+W 486 filter. It's too bad (at least for me) because the only IR-cut I could find were the Heliopans, at Tamarkin, and I bought two at the cost of $170. Leica still hasn't shipped my two complimentary filters ordered a month ago. I don't think the B+W are to be found anywhere in Montreal, so I guess it's back to Tamarkin. This M8 is great, but demanding.  Olivier:  The Montreal Leica dealer had the 486 filters in December. I got my two 39mm filters from Jean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted March 7, 2007 Share #143 Â Posted March 7, 2007 I just took my M8 in our radio studio and made some recordings before and after updating to 1.092. Â Thanks Stefan, the difference is crystal clear... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted March 7, 2007 Share #144 Â Posted March 7, 2007 reminds me of the child in a car saying ... "are we there yet" Â but in this context, are all the bugs gone yet its looking like M8 owners should be granted another review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest magyarman Posted March 7, 2007 Share #145  Posted March 7, 2007  3) - I THINK the WBs are more inconsistent. «Tungsten» is still bad,  2) - I'm afraid the magenta cast is rearing its ugly head again, even with the IR cut filter, albeit slightly. Now that's bad news. First photo is 1.09, second photo is 1.092. Look at the same wool hat.   I thing is nothing with filter. Is impossibly Leica can make it something in firmware what make worst IR with Heliopan filter oba stay same with 486. This becaus is impossibly something in firmware what can controls how much is sensible M8 to IR. Only what they can do make it globally change same what does profile. I thing what make it prablem this your two fotos is WB. First one foto is unter exposition also colour libit grin. Secont one foto is exposition ok oba libit red. Mabe was before WB cast cover up some libit magenta what pass by Heliopan filter, oba after 1,092 can see agan libit magenta. This only possibility way can be after 1,092 better 486 then Heliopan if was not before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 7, 2007 Share #146 Â Posted March 7, 2007 On the nail, Blasko! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwalker Posted March 7, 2007 Share #147 Â Posted March 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) My two cents' worth: I installed the new firmware yesterday and only managed to fire off a few shots with it. The white balance still seems erratic, to me, at best, so I wonder if some are wishful thinkers about that. When I went to download my images (only three of them) and return my card to my camera to delete them, the camera tells me the SD card is full. Upon trying to reformat it it -- first I encountered the randomly/rapidly self-scrolling menue. When I finally got that stopped and set the card to format, instead of taking a few seconds as it normally does, the blinking red light and format window stayed on and on... I gave up after waiting about 10 minutes but the camera would not shut off with it's power switch. I had to take the battery out and restart it. The SD card still showed as full, so this time I put back in my card reader, deleted the files, then tried the whole process of reformatting the card in the camera again and this time it worked normally. Â I've noticed some other little glitches that were not there in 1.092. I'm hoping I've not made a huge mistake installing the update and I may end up going against Leica's wishes and reinstalling 1.092. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 7, 2007 Share #148 Â Posted March 7, 2007 Bad sector on the card? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwalker649 Posted March 7, 2007 Share #149 Â Posted March 7, 2007 If I'm Leica I make a deal with B+W on their filters since this is a expense with no return. I tweak the camera for their filters and the public will need to use B+W filters from now on. Personally I'm ok with that as long as I don't own Heliopan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 7, 2007 Share #150  Posted March 7, 2007 My two cents' worth: I installed the new firmware yesterday and only managed to fire off a few shots with it. The white balance still seems erratic, to me, at best, so I wonder if some are wishful thinkers about that. When I went to download my images (only three of them) and return my card to my camera to delete them, the camera tells me the SD card is full. Upon trying to reformat it it -- first I encountered the randomly/rapidly self-scrolling menue. When I finally got that stopped and set the card to format, instead of taking a few seconds as it normally does, the blinking red light and format window stayed on and on... I gave up after waiting about 10 minutes but the camera would not shut off with it's power switch. I had to take the battery out and restart it. The SD card still showed as full, so this time I put back in my card reader, deleted the files, then tried the whole process of reformatting the card in the camera again and this time it worked normally. I've noticed some other little glitches that were not there in 1.092. I'm hoping I've not made a huge mistake installing the update and I may end up going against Leica's wishes and reinstalling 1.092.  Maybe using another card and reinstalling 1.092 would be a good idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted March 7, 2007 Share #151 Â Posted March 7, 2007 Hasn't the M8 been wrong with preset WBs under anything but daylight right from the start, and it's getting worse with fimware 1.092? Hopefully before it gets better. And I'm not talking about the new magenta cast I get with the Heliopan filters. I hate to say this, but my D200 gets the WB right everytime, be it on auto, on K, on preset... Â Anybody out there uses a color meter? Â Please, help me find the benefits I should be getting from the update. Some info on the top of the LCD image. Nice, but not overwhelming. Better control of the noise? This, I have to test. If true, it's great, but then I hope it's not detrimental to sharpness. Â Besides that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 7, 2007 Share #152  Posted March 7, 2007 Howard, you're probably right. Leicas must have tweaked the response to IR in 1.092 more towards the B+W 486 filter. It's too bad (at least for me) because the only IR-cut I could find were the Heliopans, at Tamarkin, and I bought two at the cost of $170. Leica still hasn't shipped my two complimentary filters ordered a month ago. I don't think the B+W are to be found anywhere in Montreal, so I guess it's back to Tamarkin. This M8 is great, but demanding.  Olivier,  Vistek in Toronto are listed as glass and software stockists in my B+W world-wide dealer list.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrosell Posted March 7, 2007 Share #153  Posted March 7, 2007 Bigger cards take longer because it reads the data on the card. Also use fast cards. This is your film folks don't by cheap stuff  Hi Guy!  Would you be so kind as to state what are the SD cards you are using, or those that you know are giving best stable results? Unfortunately, at these low latitudes there are not enough choices so I will have to order them abroad and want to be sure what works and what doesn't.  As a matter of facts, still waiting for my M8 (since last Nov), hopefully will be here this month!!!  Best regards and, again, thanks for all your input in this forum.  Horacio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted March 7, 2007 Share #154  Posted March 7, 2007 Thanks Wilson, I'll have a look.  As for the new magenta cast, my two photos are not under different lighting. They may be exposed a bit differently, and obviously the cropping is different, but the temperature of the light is the same, so I should get the same amount of IR cut. And anyway, IR cut is IR cut no matter the lighting. It has to cut less under daylight and more under tungsten, but that's about it. But most importantly, I know for a fact that since I got the Heliopan filters a week ago, the magenta cast had entirely disappeared. I did test the (synthetic) wool hat several times. It came out as black as it is naturally. Now, with the new firmware, it IS getting this slight magenta-ish cast.  I think Leica need to know that.  Also, if you read Sean Reid's comparative evaluation of the Heliopan and 486 B+W filters, you'll see that there is not much difference in IR cutting efficiency between the two.  Now, if Leica are tweaking firmware to make sure only their filters (Leica, Schneider, B+W, whatever...) gets the IR really right, then I think it's a shame, reminiscent of the dirty Nikon scheme of their proprietary encrypted WB in the D2X and subsequent DSLRs that only THEIR conversion program could read. Which, BTW, helped launch the Adobe's DNG «universal» format. But that's another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted March 7, 2007 Share #155 Â Posted March 7, 2007 Check Popflash if you need filters. They keep getting them. Nice guys, too. Â I ordered a 48mm (90 'cron) and B-W is making is specially since it's an unusual diameter. How cool is that? Â Which is by way of saying that Popflash seems to have a pipeline to B-W or the wholesaler. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 7, 2007 Share #156 Â Posted March 7, 2007 Olivier, I do not think that is a fair comment. Leica is tweaking the firmware to give the best possible result with the filters they are supplying. That is their obligation, not to accomodate any other brans. The cast you notice is less than the variation one sees between different digital camera's in black rendering and is easily avoided by using the right C1 profile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woody Campbell Posted March 7, 2007 Share #157  Posted March 7, 2007 I thought it would make sense to run a new comparison with a 5D given the M8's improved high ISO performance. See the three images below. M8 at 2500, 35mm chron at 5.6 tripod mounted. 5D at 2500, 50mm macro (a well-regarded lens) at 8 also tripod mounted. Processed with C1 with no noise reduction and default sharpening (I'll try the M8 image with the C1 "soft" default and report back). The third image is the same as the first (M8 iso 2500) with one click of noise reduction in C1. These are 100% center crops. Snow was falling outside my window, which complicates things a bit  M8 @ 2500 no C1 noise reduction  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  5D @ 2500 no C1 noise reduction   M8 @ 2500 first click of C1 noise reduction   The 5D clearly gives up resolution to the M8 to acheive a better level of noise reduction. C1's noise reduction slider does a very good job on the M8 file but at the expense of resolution. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  5D @ 2500 no C1 noise reduction   M8 @ 2500 first click of C1 noise reduction   The 5D clearly gives up resolution to the M8 to acheive a better level of noise reduction. C1's noise reduction slider does a very good job on the M8 file but at the expense of resolution. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/17992-new-firmware-1092-thoughts-read-instructions/?do=findComment&comment=192948'>More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted March 7, 2007 Share #158  Posted March 7, 2007 @Olivier--I don't think Leica is tweaking the colour to be less accurate (or tuned for a filter). In fact, I think the colour without a filter has improved quite a lot.  I think they're fine-tuning the actual DNG matrix with Adobe (would be my hunch); I've heard from some folks I trust that their experience with LightRoom and ACR is much better with the new firmware than the old (I don't use 'em, so I really don't know).  JPEGs seem better to me, too (and I'm not talking about AWB, though the settings are servicable to me), but I don't shoot a lot of JPEGs for anything but proofing.  @John--Scott is mostly right about C1 Pro (which, yes, I use), except that all cameras have the banding and pattern noise controls (at least, all my Canons do It's not an M8 thing).  I'd personally never work with the C1 default noise processing off except in completely unusual cirmunstances; you're not losing any printable detail when it's on, and part of C1's algorithm works for subtle pixel pattern noise, colour dithering, etc...  If you want a sharper output look from C1, using "standard sharpening" / focussing as high as 200/3 and you'll have razor sharpness with phenomenal detail.  ISO 1250 and 2500 is much improved in this workflow, and it's probably due to lower colour noise overall (similar to a LAB blur of the AB channels). I can even "push" 1250 into places I really, really couldn't before. If I get a moment or two I'll post something...but just try underexposing 1250 and adjusting in post. It's definitely better, and 2500 pushed 1/3 stop is better than it used to be by a fair bit too.  @ Robert--I've never been able to find a Canadian dealer with IR cut filters in stock. I'll have to call around again!  EDIT: Woody--just saw your proof points; with black and white of course you won't see an improvement in chroma noise  I also think you need to sharpen the 5d more, and also that you can bring back M8 detail with sharpening without gaining noise (the equivalent of Noise Ninja in RAW); try it and see what you think; I don't think you'd get that many artifacts in terms of overall printable detail.  BTW--I'd be happy to be wrong here--live and learn, as they say! I just find I like losing noise at the RAW stage rather than deal with it later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted March 7, 2007 Share #159 Â Posted March 7, 2007 Could you post the same images in color Woody? Thats what I also would be interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammam Posted March 7, 2007 Share #160 Â Posted March 7, 2007 Olivier:Â The Montreal Leica dealer had the 486 filters in December. I got my two 39mm filters from Jean. Â Thanks, Robert, I just called them and, indeed, they have a couple of 486. I had them reserve one for me, just to see the difference, if any, with the Heliopan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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