75 Summilux

[paulsydaus]

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Very interesting...

I wonder if this is an RoHS thing...?

When was the last version discontinued?

 

Supposedly the glass is full of chemicals and substances which are now either illegal to use or too expensive to obtain and make work. I can't remember which. It wouldn't surprise me if we see an update at some point though.

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[Ecar]

When was the last version discontinued?

 

2007 or 2008 I believe.

[IWC Doppel]

Erwin Putts quotes production from 1980 to 2004

[TheGodParticle/Hari]

i also did a weight comparison of all the lenses you see, will upload the images tomorrow

 

i think most of us carry our leica lens in the leather pouch and i never find the weight of a leica lens including the weight of the leather pouch

 

so i took the bare naked weight of the lenses (including front and back caps) and a second image per lens enclosed in the leather pouch

 

it's only a few extra grams in the end but i wanted to know and maybe some of you do too

 

images coming tomorrow

 

Here are some images showing the weight

 

Weight was measured using a device from a vendor called ADE Germany, who are certified by TÜV and are quite well known in their line of business. Certified with ISO 9001 and ISO 13485. Supposedly precise down to 1 gram

 

Device vendor website for reference - Kitchen scales | Consumer - Produkte-Extension

 

1. Voigtlander Heliar 75/2.5 LTM - http://imageshack.com/a/img600/327/cxi8.jpg

 

No leather pouch with the Heliar

 

2. Leica APO 75/2 - http://imageshack.com/a/img843/5347/dnp1.jpg

 

With the leather pouch - http://imageshack.com/a/img843/1951/zxes.jpg

 

3. Leica 75 Lux - http://imageshack.com/a/img22/9431/p7qw.jpg

 

With leather pouch - http://imageshack.com/a/img822/628/o9x9.jpg

 

Leica specify the weight of the APO 75 ASPH as 430 grams

 

Reference: Leica Camera AG - Photography - LEICA APO-SUMMICRON-M 75 mm f/2 ASPH. -> Technical Data

 

Leica specify the weight of the 75 Lux as 560 grams

 

Reference: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/75mm_f/1.4_Summilux-M

 

I'm not including weight of the 90mm lenses to stay on topic of 75mm until and unless someone wants to know?

[Paul J]

Hi, John!

 

My guess is that Karbe doesn't like the residual longitudinal (or axial) CA of the 75 1.4 (red focusing in a different plane than green and blue) at large apertures.

 

http://www.2020mag.com/ce/2020exams/107855/fig4-5.jpg

 

In a B&W picture, it just appears as "Leica Glow." But in color pix, it muddies up the color distinctions in fine details (the blurry red image contaminates shadows with red, while letting small highlights drift cyan). This is very hard to correct for - unlike the lateral CA most of us encounter these days (magenta/green fringing in one direction, without as much of a loss in sharpness).

 

I.E., it is not that the 75 lacks aspherics or floating elements, but that it is the antithesis of "APO-chromatic" performance - except when stopped down.

 

I've had two since the M9 came out - got rid of them both, but only because I didn't want to carry the weight or the value around on journalistic assignments. The overall performance was not an issue - but it did take a lot of post-correction in some pictures, to clean up the non-APO color artifacts in fine details.

 

For the era in which it was designed, it was a phenomenal achievement, matching or surpassing (at f/1.4-f/2.8) slower Nikon/Canon 85 f/1.8 lenses of the time (and Mandler's own non-APO 90 Summicron) - for resolution at large apertures. And one of the sharpest Leica lenses of any type, when stopped down. So Mandler's pride was also justified.

 

 

 

You might want to try out the 75 Summarit before jumping - and save many bucks. It definitely shares the same family contrast, color and resolution of the 75-90 APO teles and wider ASPHs. Only limitation is the 0.9 meter close focus limit.

 

And shows that Peter Karbe can also do non-ASPH, non-FLE lenses.

 

A nice 'contrast' (henh-henh!) to the 75 Summilux: 100% crop from M9, ISO 800, f/2.5.

 

Hi Andy,

 

Having tried 35 and 50 Summarits over an extended period I have no real intention on trying the 75. Between the rendering and the build they didn't leave me with anything I was so enamoured by.

 

I sent my Summilux off to be looked at and it happens that something was broken. It came back a new lens and my only real "concerns" are gone. Except lastly for colour and contrast in a continuity sense when using it along side newer ASPH lenses in a series that requite some colour uniformity.

 

I'm happy enough for now as I need other things over another 75, but at some point may buy the Summicron as well. Perhaps, some day, we will see an updated Summilux.

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Perhaps, some day, we will see an updated Summilux.

 

 

I fear it would be a demonstration lens with very high price, just like the Noctilux.

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M8.2, 'lux 75, ISO 640, f 2.0, 1/45 sec., Basel, Suisse, 14. Dec. 2013.

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M8.2, 'lux 75, Jan 2014.

[IWC Doppel]

I have no connection to ffordes but noticed they have a 75mm Summilux for £1999 which seems very attractive given recent prices. Wouldn't want one of the luxless forum members to miss out !

Edited February 6, 2014 by IWC Doppel

[MarkP]

luxless

 

yes, then they would be a luckless and luxless

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Leica specify the weight of the 75 Lux as 560 grams

 

Reference: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/75mm_f/1.4_Summilux-M

 

I'm not including weight of the 90mm lenses to stay on topic of 75mm until and unless someone wants to know?

 

It's heavy - but it's also longer than any of the 90mm lenses, and most of the weight is out front. I don't miss the handling of mine, or the ca. (I do miss the bokeh rendering though.)

[jcraf]

I have no connection to ffordes but noticed they have a 75mm Summilux for £1999 which seems very attractive given recent prices. Wouldn't want one of the luxless forum members to miss out !

 

Agreed. A well known London dealer has a similar unboxed one for GBP 2999....

[jcraf]

I have no connection to ffordes but noticed they have a 75mm Summilux for £1999 which seems very attractive given recent prices. Wouldn't want one of the luxless forum members to miss out !

 

It's just become mine.....to replace the one I sold 6 months ago for GBP 2999 (admittedly that was boxed, late, Solms). Now the question - should I keep the 75 Apo Summicron?

[erudolph]

It's just become mine.....to replace the one I sold 6 months ago for GBP 2999 (admittedly that was boxed, late, Solms). Now the question - should I keep the 75 Apo Summicron?

 

if possible, i'd keep the summicron. Or was that a rhetorical question? :-)

[Paul J]

keep it!

[Ecar]

Sell. Replace with a Summarit.

[IkarusJohn]

I sold my 75 Summicron and bought the 90 AA Summicron instead. Useful pairing.

[jcraf]

To throw in further confusion, I recently acquired a mint boxed 80 Summilux R ROM for the M. So,that might be the one to go as I can't use it with the MM. Lovely lens though.

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[MarkP]

 

I've kept both, at least for now.

[jcraf]

Problem solved.

 

After 8 hours with the head on the pillow, decided to bin the 75 'Lux. Sticking with the 75 Apo for MM, M and M7, and 80 'Lux R for the M.

 

Ffordes were good about my change of mind when I called them at 0901hrs, and as I ordered late yesterday hadn't shipped the lens anyway.

 

So last time I looked, it's still there for the next hungry punter. It IS a good price, I'll say that.