MarkP Posted May 21, 2014 Share #281 Posted May 21, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I bet it's even better on the monochrom Indeed it is 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IWC Doppel Posted May 21, 2014 Share #282 Posted May 21, 2014 Indeed it is Still waiting for the new CMOS B&W camera to be announced then I can pick an old out of date CCD one 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGodParticle/Hari Posted May 21, 2014 Share #283 Posted May 21, 2014 Still waiting for the new CMOS B&W camera to be announced then I can pick an old out of date CCD one The problem with this approach is the cost buying + the cost of repairs I bought my M9 brand new and have shot many thousands of images that have made me happy Recently I went to India for a 4 week trip and the very second day my M9 just died on me. Didn't power on, no buttons worked - just dead from one day to the next. There was no repair point in India so I shot the trip with my 5D2 and took my M9 to Solms personally to talk to the friendly people and get it fixed in time for my next trip to Romania for the next 3 weeks. Long story short, Leica accommodated my request and fixed my camera within a week during the hectic Christmas period. At a cost of almost €1000 as they had to completely replace the circuit board. The M9 sells for €2500 in the used market so if you have to send it in for repairs once or twice, which is likely to happen to such an old camera in the Digital era, you're basically paying the cost of a new camera which will come with a full warranty and cover all repairs for the next 2/3 years. So, much as I love my M9 I think I will sell it and get the M240 and follow Leica's release schedule as it's a delta of €2500 to buy the latest and greatest I'm not even going to misalignment of the RF between my M9, MM and my 15 odd lenses which I mostly bought brand new. Some work perfectly on my M9, some on my MM and just 2-3 lenses on both :/ As bad as the EVF may be, it will still help me nail focus with the 0.95 / f1 / f1.4 lenses ... I don't want to know the cost of sending in my M9, MM and all the lenses for perfect RF alignment - which we know is not a 100% guaranteed outcome anyway :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted May 21, 2014 Share #284 Posted May 21, 2014 The problem with this approach is the cost buying + the cost of repairs I bought my M9 brand new and have shot many thousands of images that have made me happy Recently I went to India for a 4 week trip and the very second day my M9 just died on me. Didn't power on, no buttons worked - just dead from one day to the next. There was no repair point in India so I shot the trip with my 5D2 and took my M9 to Solms personally to talk to the friendly people and get it fixed in time for my next trip to Romania for the next 3 weeks. Long story short, Leica accommodated my request and fixed my camera within a week during the hectic Christmas period. At a cost of almost €1000 as they had to completely replace the circuit board. The M9 sells for €2500 in the used market so if you have to send it in for repairs once or twice, which is likely to happen to such an old camera in the Digital era, you're basically paying the cost of a new camera which will come with a full warranty and cover all repairs for the next 2/3 years. So, much as I love my M9 I think I will sell it and get the M240 and follow Leica's release schedule as it's a delta of €2500 to buy the latest and greatest I'm not even going to misalignment of the RF between my M9, MM and my 15 odd lenses which I mostly bought brand new. Some work perfectly on my M9, some on my MM and just 2-3 lenses on both :/ As bad as the EVF may be, it will still help me nail focus with the 0.95 / f1 / f1.4 lenses ... I don't want to know the cost of sending in my M9, MM and all the lenses for perfect RF alignment - which we know is not a 100% guaranteed outcome anyway :/ I do hear what you are saying, I guess I have been lucky buying my M9-P secondhand, nearly new, now 2 years and 15,000 actuations later it's not missed a beat, I had no issues with a similar approach with an M8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted May 21, 2014 Share #285 Posted May 21, 2014 I guess I have been lucky buying my M9-P secondhand, nearly new, now 2 years and 15,000 actuations later it's not missed a beat, I had no issues with a similar approach with an M8. I second the motion that there is a lot of luck at play with these precise tools - good luck and bad luck. My MM is a few month old and already having the entire rangerfinder replaced as it wasn't nailing focus (or even close) on my 75 lux 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted May 21, 2014 Share #286 Posted May 21, 2014 I do hear what you are saying, I guess I have been lucky buying my M9-P secondhand, nearly new, now 2 years and 15,000 actuations later it's not missed a beat, I had no issues with a similar approach with an M8. Exactly my story minus M8 and Lux 75mm works as it should. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bephoto Posted May 22, 2014 Share #287 Posted May 22, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is the eye 100% from the shot I previously published. honestly this sharpness is crazy to any standard for such a luminous lens. NOTE: this 75mm Summilux-M is "Made in Germany" and came with 6-bit out of box though i've heard myths about german versions are better or 6-bit versions had better calibration for digital and etc. maybe someone can confirm these claims i'm kind of agnostic in this case 75Lux is 130gr heavier than 75apocron but most of its weight is in the front and without a grip this lens on any M camera feels really uncomfortable; i guess thats the price to pay for Mandler's masterpiece Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/173284-75-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=2594555'>More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted May 22, 2014 Share #288 Posted May 22, 2014 This is the eye 100% from the shot I previously published. honestly this sharpness is crazy to any standard for such a luminous lens. NOTE: this 75mm Summilux-M is "Made in Germany" and came with 6-bit out of box though i've heard myths about german versions are better or 6-bit versions had better calibration for digital and etc. maybe someone can confirm these claims i'm kind of agnostic in this case 75Lux is 130gr heavier than 75apocron but most of its weight is in the front and without a grip this lens on any M camera feels really uncomfortable; i guess thats the price to pay for Mandler's masterpiece This is a rumour possibly created by collector owners of German made copies. The late Canadian and German copies are indeed optical identical. I have a late Canadian copy, which has been to Wetzlar a few weeks ago for a complete rebuild including coding and fine calibration to match my also provided Noctilux and 135 APO Telyt. The 75 Summilux is spot on now from wide open on several digital bodies, which have been calibrated independently (M9 calibrated in Wetzlar together with 75/1.4, M8.2 + MM calibrated by myself with reference of 50/1 v4 earlier). Whatever copy anybody has nowadays, which does not work 100% to the best samples of this lens can be brought up to spec by Leica Wetzlar. Optical elements will be re-aligned if necessary, focal length will be fine adjusted towards the given focus mount calibration or the other way around if deemed more reasonable (adjustment of focal length is often easier in the scope of leeway the optical assembly provides instead of re-machining or part exchanging the focus mount assembly). The same as with Noctilux, 135/3.4 and 21/24mm Summilux, which are the most critical lenses in the system due to the mechanical RF design - if something is off with a certain lens, a trip to Wetzlar will definitely fix it. Congrats on your copy, German or not it looks great and I really like your portrait shown earlier! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 22, 2014 Share #289 Posted May 22, 2014 Mine (German late-production model for what that's worth) is fine across M240, Monochrom and M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bephoto Posted May 22, 2014 Share #290 Posted May 22, 2014 how much is the cost of recalibration? I have a 35mm pre-asph chrome which is kinda off - back focus on M240 but spot on on M7 dunno what to do. I can't send my camera then I have to do everything with a 5ton hasselblad for months i guess. how long it takes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted May 22, 2014 Share #291 Posted May 22, 2014 I am afraid cost estimates only Leica Wetzlar (or an alternative service provider) can quote, as the actual costs can vary a lot depending on which work needs to be done on a certain sample of the lens. The actual work can be as simple as a small calibration without the need of spare parts or deep disassembly or even realigning optical elements or it can be as extensive as a rebuild of the optical cell with CLA of focus mount and re-calibration. I would always insist on having your lens adjusted to the precise correct Leica standard, not in providing a specific camera body. This insures that your lens will be compatible at maximum performance to all bodies, also properly adjusted. I insisted with the last batch of lenses also on this fact and it worked out beautifully. I was actually surprised by how so extremely accurate the 75 Summilux is working now at all distances on the also adjusted M9 (both units were at slightly different repair slots and were not at the same time in Wetzlar). I found Leica Germany in all cases, where I needed work to be done very professional and contrary to often read negative comments on the internet extremely accommodating regarding time schedules and special wishes. When you have only a certain window, you can spare your gear for a repair, I found the people in Solms (now Wetzlar) do anything in their powers, to match your needs. Most important for this to work is that you get in touch directly with the responsible people in the service department and not deal through dealers or resellers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 22, 2014 Share #292 Posted May 22, 2014 FYI: Speaking of minor variations, the 75 Summilux has two different versions of the lens contact to the rangefinder's focusing lever. Sent from my Etcha-sketch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 23, 2014 Share #293 Posted May 23, 2014 Still waiting for the new CMOS B&W camera to be announced then I can pick an old out of date CCD one Don't hold your breath :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 23, 2014 Share #294 Posted May 23, 2014 how much is the cost of recalibration? I have a 35mm pre-asph chrome which is kinda off - back focus on M240 but spot on on M7 dunno what to do. I can't send my camera then I have to do everything with a 5ton hasselblad for months i guess. how long it takes? Get it 6-bit coded - calibration cost included. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted May 23, 2014 Author Share #295 Posted May 23, 2014 Don't hold your breath :-) Hey IWC, I tend to agree with John here. For a few reasons. But mainly because I don't think prices are going to drop so low. It is and will always be a landmark camera for not only Leica but the entire camera industry. I don't think it's on the same level as some Leica cameras, but its' the first camera offered as digital monochrome and my uninformed guess is that someday it will be highly collectible, providing it is still working. Perhaps because there is such great a chance of a digital camera NOT working in 50 years time, means that, potentially, a working one will be even more valuable. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
egrossman Posted May 29, 2014 Share #296 Posted May 29, 2014 (edited) I've commented before that the 75mm Summilux is my favorite lens. I recently acquired a Noctilux and have been using it almost exclusively for the past couple of months. I love the way it draws but don't like it's minimum focussing distance. I find that I need to crop a lot to make up for that. Today I took my 75mm lens off of the shelf to take a picture of my 2-day old daughter with my Monochrom. This lens continues to blow me away. Erik Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited May 29, 2014 by egrossman 19 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/173284-75-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=2599323'>More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 29, 2014 Share #297 Posted May 29, 2014 You probably don't need encouragement, but you have a new photographic project - your daughter. Keep taking pictures of her with this camera (and this lens) - I didn't, and I regret it sorely! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted May 29, 2014 Share #298 Posted May 29, 2014 I've commented before that the 75mm Summilux is my favorite lens. I recently acquired a Noctilux and have been using it almost exclusively for the past couple of months. I love the way it draws but don't like it's minimum focussing distance. I find that I need to crop a lot to make up for that. Today I took my 75mm lens off of the shelf to take a picture of my 2-day old daughter with my Monochrom. This lens continues to blow me away. Erik I can't agree more! 2-day old daughters are an excellent prey for a Summilux 75, as was mine, just as 2-day old sons. Until they were 4 or 5 years old the lux75 had my remarkable preference to tell their stories with 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bephoto Posted May 30, 2014 Share #299 Posted May 30, 2014 another portrait shot with His Royal Highness 75mm Summilux Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/173284-75-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=2600187'>More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 3, 2014 Share #300 Posted June 3, 2014 field poppies Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M8.2, 'lux 75, LR 5, June 2014. Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M8.2, 'lux 75, LR 5, June 2014. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/173284-75-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=2603298'>More sharing options...
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