luigi bertolotti Posted February 14, 2012 Share #21 Â Posted February 14, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Agree : let's not forget that TWO cameras are on the drawing board (or, even, in a more advanced state) : - The "mirrorless-EVIL-not FF" - The "next M" Â My (questionable) opinion is that both will rely on CMOS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mjh Posted February 14, 2012 Share #22  Posted February 14, 2012 TrueSense Imaging has always been the name of the sensor division even when Kodak owned it. The important point to get across is that Truesense Imaging isn‘t a Kodak division anymore and that whatever should happen to Kodak won’t affect its business.  And they are not exclusively CCD manufacturers. Well, they aren’t in the CMOS sensor business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 14, 2012 Share #23  Posted February 14, 2012 Agree : let's not forget that TWO cameras are on the drawing board (or, even, in a more advanced state) :- The "mirrorless-EVIL-not FF" - The "next M"  My (questionable) opinion is that both will rely on CMOS As far as the EVIL system is concerned that is pretty much a given. With regard to the M10 it remains to be seen (but it’s likely). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 14, 2012 Share #24 Â Posted February 14, 2012 Just for the record - there will NEVER be a M10. Â just for the record I have bookmarked this post. Never say never - unless you work for Leica's design/marketing team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 14, 2012 Share #25  Posted February 14, 2012 just for the record I have bookmarked this post. Never say never - unless you work for Leica's design/marketing team Only recently I had learned from a member of this forum that there would never be a 36 MP DSLR.  As far as the M10 is concerned I think ockie50’s point is moot. Surely everyone will have realized that when we refer to an ‘M10’ we are referring to the hypothetical successor of the M9, whatever it might turn out to be named when it is announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 14, 2012 Author Share #26  Posted February 14, 2012 Only recently I had learned from a member of this forum that there would never be a 36 MP DSLR. As far as the M10 is concerned I think ockie50’s point is moot. Surely everyone will have realized that when we refer to an ‘M10’ we are referring to the hypothetical successor of the M9, whatever it might turn out to be named when it is announced.  Exactly... We have no idea what it will be called, but M10 is as good a guess as any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Old Dog Posted February 15, 2012 Share #27 Â Posted February 15, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I sure feel lucky. I have no doubt Leica will cough up a M10 at some point but to be honest with you all, I can't think of anything they could do to it to entice me into upgrading. My M9 truly does have everything I need. I can make prints larger then I want and I like the menu setup. Maybe if they made it smaller by enough to matter that might be reason to trade up. If they made it larger by a hair I would have no use for it. My M9 has taken me BACK to the future in the way it shoots compared to my older film setups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 15, 2012 Share #28  Posted February 15, 2012  Well, they aren’t in the CMOS sensor business.  Oh but they are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 15, 2012 Share #29 Â Posted February 15, 2012 I can't see how the Dalsa sensor would be a 'good fit' for a rangefinder's 28.7 mm flange to sensor distance since it doesn't have offset micro lenses at the edges. Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted February 15, 2012 Share #30 Â Posted February 15, 2012 A response gets me subscribed to this thread so my question is do we really need a 24MP sensor? Do we really gain that much. Is it just a megapixel race. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
-ph- Posted February 15, 2012 Share #31 Â Posted February 15, 2012 Lack of resolution is certainly not a frequently heard complaint about the M9, so better high ISO and other things would have more priority. But if a new sensor amongst other things adds a few pixels, why not? The Leica lenses certainly are up to it. Â Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 15, 2012 Share #32 Â Posted February 15, 2012 Oh but they are. Kodak has given up its CMOS sensor business some time ago; all the old CMOS sensors are discontinued. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share #33 Â Posted February 15, 2012 I can't see how the Dalsa sensor would be a 'good fit' for a rangefinder's 28.7 mm flange to sensor distance since it doesn't have offset micro lenses at the edges. Â From the specs: "Microlenses with wide angular response" Â Â I sure feel lucky. I have no doubt Leica will cough up a M10 at some point but to be honest with you all, I can't think of anything they could do to it to entice me into upgrading. My M9 truly does have everything I need... Â I kind of feel the same way to be honest. I have no want for anything more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted February 15, 2012 Share #34 Â Posted February 15, 2012 From the specs: "Microlenses with wide angular response" ... Yes I saw that but read that as each microlens having a wide throat to its bucket to maximise photon capturing efficiency, which with respect doesn't appear to be the same as offset micro lenses that are deliberately set to point towards light from an oblique angle and reduce its attenuation. Â I understand that CMOS sensor pixels typically also have a wide angular response compared to CCD but CMOS micro four-thirds sensors used with M lenses exhibit attenuation (fall-off) at the edges in the form of vignetting to a greater extent than the M9's sensor. If the Dalsa sensor had offset microlenses then it would be a USP worth mentioning unequivocally. Â Pee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share #35 Â Posted February 15, 2012 ^ Hmm, good point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted February 15, 2012 Share #36 Â Posted February 15, 2012 I have no want for anything more. Â That's where a talented manufacturer/designer comes into their own. They make you want things you didnt know you wanted Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted February 15, 2012 Share #37 Â Posted February 15, 2012 Kodak has given up its CMOS sensor business some time ago; all the old CMOS sensors are discontinued. Â 1. It's not a Kodak company. 2. They make sensors fort a lot of cameras you will never see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted February 15, 2012 Share #38  Posted February 15, 2012 1. It's not a Kodak company. After Truesense Imaging was spun off, they didn’t enter the CMOS market again that they had left when they were still part of Kodak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share #39  Posted February 15, 2012 That's where a talented manufacturer/designer comes into their own. They make you want things you didnt know you wanted  So true - look at Apple! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted February 15, 2012 Share #40 Â Posted February 15, 2012 So true - look at Apple! Â I never thought of that. Maybe that's why I've got an iMac, Mac Book Pro, iPad, iPod, iTouch and iPhone. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Â Cheers, Tom (Written on my iPad) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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