lct Posted December 5, 2011 Share #21 Posted December 5, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...The mentioned interview with Stefan Daniel a few weeks ago could be a hint for what we have to expect in an M10... His previous one as well . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Hi lct, Take a look here M9 and M9-P, the End of an Era. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
swamiji Posted December 5, 2011 Share #22 Posted December 5, 2011 Thats not the way I interpret it. I see two separate hints for two separate products. But YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 5, 2011 Share #23 Posted December 5, 2011 So do I... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelduck Posted December 5, 2011 Share #24 Posted December 5, 2011 I just hope for a M6 sized body and a better ISO. Otherwise the M9 is perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rona!d Posted December 5, 2011 Share #25 Posted December 5, 2011 The M9-P will be the last M-camera without cellphone, that´s for sure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted December 5, 2011 Share #26 Posted December 5, 2011 I'm sure you can turn the hybrid viewfinder, video mode, focus peaking and whatever other helpful features off in order to satisfy the luddite in you. I am thinking that perhaps Leica can now add a perspective control lens, real macro lenses, 'soft' lenses and other neat technical designs to their repertoire, without sacrificing any of the mechanics and precision. A very basic photographic experience is still available to those who crave it. Or just don't buy an M10, quit the whinging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 5, 2011 Share #27 Posted December 5, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) And maybe it will share the beautiful, beautiful, NEX styling:rolleyes: And be all-plastic!:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luuca Posted December 5, 2011 Share #28 Posted December 5, 2011 One more thought of the upcoming M10: the dimensions of the body have to be changed when they want to intruduce a bigger and better screen on the back. Elsewhere I read that Stefan Daniel said, the resolution of the current screen cannot be improved because of the dimensions of the body. A better screen would rise the dimensions of it and the body. So I think the M10 has to be bigger in some ways. I wish it'll be smaller, not bigger!! some sort of MP dimensions would be nice. I always thought M9/M8 were too thick for my hands. and then: better hi iso ( 3200 usable would be enough) lower iso selectable ( 25 ) longer battery more slots for personal settings ( maybe 10, which appear on the menu only if used) I don't need other features... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted December 5, 2011 Share #29 Posted December 5, 2011 Let's look at M line - main products in historical terms : - M3 / M2 / M4 : the trio of pure mechanical - M5 / M6 / M7 : the trio with some bits of electronics - M8 / M9 the duo of digitals... So it will be M10 to end an era , M11 the real "new generation" .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shade Posted December 5, 2011 Share #30 Posted December 5, 2011 They will probably incorporate some changes but imho nothing ground breaking or anything out of a magician's hat. I would love to see a hybrid viewfinder though.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KM-25 Posted December 5, 2011 Share #31 Posted December 5, 2011 Good enough is relative. I don't have a problem with the current range, but it would be nice, if it had less noise at higher ISO. I know there are ways to handle in post, but I would rather it be handled in camera. It has been conceded in interviews, that Leica feels it could do better. Ah, I see where you made the mistake, you did not say anything about the range, you just said "Better ISO, certainly". The term ISO stands for "Interntaional Organization of Standardization", it is a numerical reference to light sensitivity when using film or digital products that incorporate different sensitivities to light. If you just say "Better ISO", that is incomplete information sir. That is like saying the M10 will have "Better Great Capture", kind of, well...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted December 5, 2011 Share #32 Posted December 5, 2011 While the M10 might be a great opportunity to introduce a new style of camera, the M9 (P) is about as perfect a camera as most of us seem to desire. And as those of us M8 users know, someone at Leica monitors these conversations and we got nearly everything we wanted in the M9. Given this history, I doubt that the M10 would be a radical departure from the basic M camera design. But if it is, then the marketing geniuses at Leica will find a way to keep the M9 in production alongside of a new style M10. After all, you could buy a M2 or a M3 at the same time. Or, as someone else has already mentioned, a M4 or a M5; or a M7 and a MP. But I could be wrong. And if I am, then I'll keep my M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 5, 2011 Share #33 Posted December 5, 2011 I wish it'll be smaller, not bigger!!some sort of MP dimensions would be nice. I always thought M9/M8 were too thick for my hands. and then: better hi iso ( 3200 usable would be enough) lower iso selectable ( 25 ) longer battery more slots for personal settings ( maybe 10, which appear on the menu only if used) I don't need other features... Yes - however, smaller would be quite a feat. I would like a clip-on EVF (Visoflex IV) for a simple reason - to be able to use my R lenses the way the were intended. It would take a CMos and more integrated electronics to enable this wish, but that would automatically improve battery life and high ISO performance. That is all. The M9 is rather close to the ideal digital rangefinder camera imo. Still, Leica has managed to surprise us time and time again over the last few years, let's wait and see what they come up with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinnfell Posted December 5, 2011 Share #34 Posted December 5, 2011 Hopefully the M10 will be a refinement upon the M9, just like the M9 was to the M8. Lets face it - electronic features are not what leica does best. If a M10 happens to have video mode and live view, well then fine with me as long as it doesnt detract from the still photo experience. And I sure as h€11 am not going to pay an extra couple of thousand dollars if the video feature is the main improvement. Inevitably, such features will require heavy R&D to implement, and other and larger mfgs have years of head start. I have had a video feature on my 5D2 for almost three years now and used it maybe ten times. Nothing more than a fun novelty for my uses, (although I realize that a lot of people use that camera mainly for its video capabilities. ) However i doubt that a M10 with video features will sell to those after JUST the video features. So, the question is - how many current users will it put off if it doesnt have them? IMO the Canon is a jack of all trades, but master of none. Whereas Leica is the king of highest quality digital still capture in a smallest possible package. I´d like to see that continue. Oscar Barnack made the LEItz CAmera famous when he took 35mm video film and turned it sideways into a super-practical still picture format that went on to rule the world. To me, still pictures are the heart of leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiriusLux Posted December 5, 2011 Share #35 Posted December 5, 2011 I believe the last air cooled 911 represented the end of an era for Porsche. Today they make fine sports cars, with traction control, paddle shift, etc., but one could also argue that the soul, the Porsche experience, is very different, if not lost. I love these air-cooled things, today they are so completely useless (compared to my Bimmer Diesel Touring or Wagon how they call them on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean) and completely adorable. And it's true, no ESP, no power steering (up till '89 or '92 for the RS), no computer that shifts for you.....in fact somewhat comparable to the M which is some photography where you are back in control, and it has the same mechanical feeling. Imlove it as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borbarad Posted December 5, 2011 Share #36 Posted December 5, 2011 Don't think so ...... or hopefully they don't use an Evf ( being a 4/3 user I know them quite well) as they are not close to the IQ of an optical one, video, live view and other features. Also Leica has now a slight problem: The sensor. When they go for CMOS they might gain highiso but they will definitely loose colour fidelity at low ISO(the CCDS vs. CMOS issue). 4/3 has the same dilemma (E1 vs everything else). My hope is that the M10 will use the same frame lines like the titanium, a improved "Kodak" CCD, a better screen, better processing power, better buffer, better battery performance, better SD Card performance with less issues and some other small things. A internal GPS might be useful for reportage. But that's it. B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD700 Posted December 5, 2011 Share #37 Posted December 5, 2011 Blackstone now owns part of Leica, so decisions are not taken solely in Solms anymore. Expect future products to be more modern and better made, without giving up on Leica identity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share #38 Posted December 5, 2011 Blackstone now owns part of Leica, so decisions are not taken solely in Solms anymore. Expect future products to be more modern and better made, without giving up on Leica identity. Or perhaps more modern, not as well made, but with a higher profit margin. I fear that cost of manufacturing, assembly, testing, and warranty calibration will mean the end of the optical rangefinder in the M10. If the experience is anything like the Fuji X100 I will not be selling my M9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alnitak Posted December 6, 2011 Share #39 Posted December 6, 2011 Blackstone now owns part of Leica, so decisions are not taken solely in Solms anymore. Expect future products to be more modern and better made, without giving up on Leica identity. I wouldn't presume anything. They don't own a controlling stake, and investment by private equity does not necessarily equate to any change in product, strategy or quality. I rather suspect that Dr. Kauffman capitalized Leica as much as he could, and its had great results. If he wanted it to grow further, faster, its only natural to recoup some of his investment and let someone else capitalize the next phase of growth. His pockets are not nearly as deep as those of Blackstone. Like Apple, I suspect that Leica could see a significant wave of growth with a heavy expansion of their currently successful retail strategy. This will require capital both to build out the stores and to fill the shelves with products. This is where some well-placed capital can help execute on a proven strategy and yield a larger return more quickly. Those who like their local dealers may not like this, but I think its the wave of the future with a premium brand like Leica. Like others have indicated on this thread, I suspect we'll see some additional products and frankly I'd prefer to see them come from Leica rather than be rebadged Panasonic stuff, which I don't like. I believe Leica can do better than that and fill some interesting niches, but again, that will take some capital to fund R&D. The M line and what it represents are part of the core Leica brand, and I doubt we'll see them radically alter it in any way--they'll just evolve it. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccarma Posted December 6, 2011 Share #40 Posted December 6, 2011 Or perhaps more modern, not as well made, but with a higher profit margin. I fear that cost of manufacturing, assembly, testing, and warranty calibration will mean the end of the optical rangefinder in the M10. If the experience is anything like the Fuji X100 I will not be selling my M9. M8 and M9s are (and will probably be) still a "taker" as some other user pointed out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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