lct Posted October 26, 2011 Share #41 Posted October 26, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) As suggested above, Stefan Daniel answered to a simple and straightforward question concerning specifically the M10. Meaning that his response leaves room for interpretation implies that he could have misunderstood or eluded the question. Not impossible of course, but not that plausible IMHO. Q: Do you see any demand from your M line users for video in their cameras and is there a chance we shall see a move from CCD to CMOS in the M10? A: Offering additional functions such as video and live view would extend the usability of the M camera significantly. CMOS is a prerequisite for it, therefore it will be the technology of the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Hi lct, Take a look here Interview with Stefan Danieli details published on Leicarumours. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
thighslapper Posted October 26, 2011 Share #42 Posted October 26, 2011 As suggested above, Stefan Daniel answered to a simple and straightforward question concerning specifically the M10. Meaning that his response leaves room for interpretation implies that he could have misunderstood or eluded the question. Not impossible of course, but not that plausible IMHO. I agree. The only thing from all this that seems really likely is that an M10 will have a CMOS chip with live view and video (and by implication better high ISO quality)..... and presumably the titanium illuminated frame lines. That would satisfy most current M users.... doing more would not be cost-effective and technically too difficult. All the other replies are very general and could apply to any current or new line of Leica cameras..... which as an M user I care not a jot.... At the end of the day Leica need to make a profit and an M10 cannot just be a repository of solutions for all the current users whims, fancies and moans ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2011 Share #43 Posted October 27, 2011 Good news is the "a la la carte" promise. So the M9P 0,85 can be bought in the near future Regarding new developments, remembering the M 5 is useful imo. If it doesn't look and feel like an M including the lenses, it will be seen as a monster and not sell. No apeal, versus the M9P in chrome, which is desirable, though all M Leicas I bought new so far were black. A modern M 5 only as prototypes and the equivallent of an M 6 at the Fotokina 2012 would be the way to go imo. Fuji is not trying to copy an ugly camera. Why give up being the gold standard, which is nice to use and stands apart and above with its prestigious, recognizable look? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggurat Posted October 27, 2011 Share #44 Posted October 27, 2011 The M10 with hybrid viewfinder etc. could coexist with the M9P like the M7 and MP maybe? Johnny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted October 27, 2011 Share #45 Posted October 27, 2011 Oh noooo, not another one.................. Hey guys: Do something novel, get out and catch some photons. That is what the Leicas are all about, not speculating about what is in the next release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamey Posted October 27, 2011 Share #46 Posted October 27, 2011 Interesting article on DP review. Mirrorless cameras are down whils't DSLR are up by 6%. I wonder if Solms reads DP review. Dont these people realise that kids get sick of playing with these toy cameras and finely move up to the real thing. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted October 27, 2011 Share #47 Posted October 27, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dont these people realise that kids get sick of playing with these toy cameras and finely move up to the real thing. LOL. Now that really hits the nail on the head! Rumors are useless ... it's like the pre-R10 hooplas all over again！ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posto 6 Posted October 27, 2011 Share #48 Posted October 27, 2011 Perhaps the R10's viability could be reviewed as there have been many changes since it's unfortunate suspension- and there is now a glaring gap for AF compatibility, as well as long-range suitability in Leica's current 35mm Ff offerings. Now that Blackstone are also on board, such a review would make great sense and would possibly yield surprising opportunities.Time to think outside the box- Leica must awaken further! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pklein Posted October 28, 2011 Share #49 Posted October 28, 2011 All this is sort of like basing U.S. foreign policy on the position of Soviet officials on the reviewing stand at the May Day parade... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posto 6 Posted October 29, 2011 Share #50 Posted October 29, 2011 At least for our efforts we can end up acquiring Leicas rather than Zorkis and Feds! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angora Posted October 30, 2011 Share #51 Posted October 30, 2011 How would that work? Isn't the flange to sensor distance greater on the S2? Would the image circle on all R lenses cover the S2 sensor? How would the S2 shut down the aperture on R lenses - you mentioned fully usable? Maybe they would come up with some electro-mechanical adapter ; for the rest, these are good questions. I was referring to the S2 because that’s the nearest product to an R10 they have, in their current line-up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted October 31, 2011 Share #52 Posted October 31, 2011 Guys, there are all sorts of solutions possible, whether everyone will like all of them is another matter. Leica has proved itself in the MFD arena by thinking somewhat out of the box. Who would have thunk it just 4 or 5 years ago? Plus they weren't overly ambitious with the S2 in terms of sales expectations. In a sense, the approach they took, as well as the price, makes it not for everyone ... which is a long time Leica tradition. The Leica M will have to change in order to fill the pipe line from the other end ... what it is exactly, will be determined by technological advancements, and what the newer, exclusive oriented buyer may want. It may come with a M10, or maybe a M11, but change will come. Probably CMOS based, maybe something like focus peaking like in the tiny Sony NEX allowing use of the current optics ... maybe an evolution toward a totally new M ... or it may happen swiftly and be considered a revolution. There is probably only one thing we can count on ... it'll be expensive. A third Leica line is highly likely, maybe a APSc with interchangeable lenses ... don't they already make some lenses for smaller sensors? Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted November 2, 2011 Share #53 Posted November 2, 2011 " On M rangefinder with AF: “we are totally aware that we could aim at a much larger clientele with AF and are currently studying solutions“. Leica invented AF as I understand, many decades ago. Execution is the problem. The RF concept is small and light, read Barnack. As soon as you build AF in, the lenses get big, have to be made of lighter materials so the motors can drive the focus. Or it has to be built into the body making it bigger. And you better include image stability somehow while you are at it or you will enter an already started race with an underpowered car and driver with one eye. Now it appeals to more people who can`t focus a camera. But you lost the original customer base because the camera is longer the camera it once was. It is going to be like beating Nikon at their own game which in the decent versions is a beautifully executed SLR with all the advantages of a slr. Leica will end up with a bigger clunkier RF with none of the advantages of a slr. Or you end up with some slow, junky, variable aperture lenses that jump in and out when the camera is turned on/off. This P&S concept is soon to be relegated to the obsolete pile replaced by the camera/phone of your choice. So unless you can make phone calls and do e/mail and add apps to your Leica,forget it. Leica has no Steve Jobs, not even close, so don`t go there or you will build another M5. In fact they don`t even understand Steve Jobs. Take the RF out, and all the old lenses go into the trash. More customers gone. What they need is a 24x36 mm slr that takes R lenses and a new line of AF lenses. Oh wait, they already gave up on that concept. They think a $30,000 camera with one lens, $100,000 small system, will will be a hot seller . Gimme a break. Maybe they need to read Steve`s new bio and learn a few things. I will tell you one thing, only history, German craftsmanship, a bunch of of photogs who have a closet full of Leica glass are keeping the M system going. Alienate them and you are are dead, dead and more dead. Just how many R people do you see buying S2 ? Go there if you dare, I advise you not to. Remember the Contax G1/G2 or the Ricoh? I dont hink it is true that AF automaticaly means much larger lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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