Lindolfi Posted June 17, 2011 Share #201 Posted June 17, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) For those who need comparison material: here's a set of white images (+2 exposure compensation and at 100 ISO) through opaque white plastic cover of all M lenses I use presently on the M9, taken with the new firmware 1.162, using the lens codes. With the exception of the CV 12/5.6 it is a pretty boring set of images: almost perfect correction! Very well done Leica. CV 12/5.6 at f/11, coded as 21/2.8 non-asph 21/2.8 ASPH at f/8, coded accordingly 35/2.0 ASPH at f/8, coded accordingly CV 50/1.1 at f/8, coded as 50/1.0 75/1.4 at f/8, coded accordingly 90/4 Macro at f/8, coded accordingly 90/4 Macro with Macro goggles at f/8, coded accordingly 90/2.8 (old Elmarit) at f/8, coded accordingly 135/3.4 Apo at f/8, coded accordingly 280/4.8 at f/8, not coded Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 17, 2011 Posted June 17, 2011 Hi Lindolfi, Take a look here The old 1.162 firmware (changed title). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Jamie Roberts Posted June 17, 2011 Share #202 Posted June 17, 2011 Copy it to the root of the card, not in any folder! ...and in XP Pro, just for anyone reading this, make sure after you copy the firmware to the root of the card that you eject the card properly from the computer before you pull it from a card reader (go to the Safely Remove Hardware widget in the right-hand side notification area). Windows XP is kinda "lazy" about writing things to cards sometimes ETA--that's actually good practice for Windows Vista and 7 as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1JB Posted June 17, 2011 Share #203 Posted June 17, 2011 In reading this and similar threads, I find slightly astonishing (or maybe not) how many people do not understand even basic computer operation. How many digital camera users are computer illiterate? How do you people survive when you do not know basic concepts such as: 1) Dragging and dropping. 2) Examining file extensions. 3) Finding files on your computer. 4) Zipping and unzipping, 5) Clicking and double clicking. 6) Simple directory structures, such as folders and root directories. Many seem to be befuddled by downloaded files, moving files when they are downloaded, locating files on your hard drives, etc etc. I think many learn to use computers by laboriously memorizing a set of procedures without any comprehension of what they are doing or why. When something is required that is not pre-memorized, they have absolutely no concept about basic computer functions. Somewhat unsettling. Use of the term "top level" by Leica should have been "root directory" and telling someone that the top level is what you see when when you "double click" on the card get's one looking at the DCIM folder. Not to mention the fact that we're not working in msdos any longer as far as the displays on the computer are concerned for which there are several variations. Throw in MACs and you're surprised people actually take the time to ask specific questions where to put a file before they perform the upgrade when one person has already said it crashed their M9? As mjh pointed out it may have been clearer if Leica had simply said to drag the file to the card and not into any files on the card. No need to make assumptions about what idiots people are and unsettle yourself. How did you ever survive New Years Eve of December 1999? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted June 17, 2011 Share #204 Posted June 17, 2011 ...and in XP Pro, just for anyone reading this, make sure after you copy the firmware to the root of the card that you eject the card properly from the computer before you pull it from a card reader (go to the Safely Remove Hardware widget in the right-hand side notification area). Windows XP is kinda "lazy" about writing things to cards sometimes Oh, this goes for Macs too. Drag the card to the trash (intuitive, yes?) to eject. Though in later versions of Mac OS X, the trashcan turns into an eject icon at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted June 17, 2011 Share #205 Posted June 17, 2011 Upgraded last night. No problems or hitches. I used the 64MB "Leica" brand SD card that came with my DLux-2. I keep the card locked, so the firmware isn't erased. Travels with me in case a reinstall is ever necessary. That's the good part. The not so good part (but not bad, mind you) is that for me, with my lenses, I can't see an appreciable improvement. 21 Elmarit NON-asph seems to have less red-edge, but it seems to have swung the other way a bit too far into cyan territory. Above ISO 160 the edge casting still worsens as before. Cornerfix will remain in my workflow I don't want to sound like I think Leica has an obligation to address 3rd-party lenses, but admit I was hoping that the new firmware might just coincidentally happen to improve upon the CV wides' red-edging, but so far I can't see where it has. Again, Cornerfix will remain in my workflow. So for me, with my lenses, I'm not really feeling the love for the new firmware, but if it has improved for other people with different lenses, then I'm glad for them and happy Leica came up with the revision. I'd still like them to at least get the 21 NON-asph spot-on though. Were there no beta-testers owning the NON-asph 21mm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted June 17, 2011 Share #206 Posted June 17, 2011 No need to make assumptions about what idiots people are and unsettle yourself. How did you ever survive New Years Eve of December 1999? They should have just done it with a series of pictures. Even if they did a complete "idiot-proof" step by step with pictures, you'd still get people who don't read and follow directions. One summer a long time ago I worked phone tech support for a software company. That experience made me lose all faith in the native intelligence of the average computer user. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted June 17, 2011 Share #207 Posted June 17, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...I don't want to sound like I think Leica has an obligation to address 3rd-party lenses, but admit I was hoping that the new firmware might just coincidentally happen to improve upon the CV wides' red-edging, but so far I can't see where it has. Again, Cornerfix will remain in my workflow... Strange. I'm happy with the improvements (!) to the CV and ZM lenses I shoot with. My 4/21 Color Skopar is very usable out of the box now, and lenses like the 4/18 and 2,8/25 ZMs are essentially perfect now (which makes me happy to NO end, as I love them). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earful Posted June 17, 2011 Share #208 Posted June 17, 2011 One summer a long time ago I worked phone tech support for a software company. That experience made me lose all faith in the native intelligence of the average computer user. lack of familiarity with the terminology related to a specific field does not mean lack of intelligence. people doing customer support are always in the difficult position of having to first determine the level of familiarity with the subject, device, what have you, of the customer requesting assistance and then pitching a response to that level. the ones unable to learn to do this do not succeed - though that also may not have anything to do with native intelligence, but rather out of their own assumption of greater expertise than they really have at their disposal, or out of lack of experience with speaking without relying solely on the jargon specific to their field of expertise. i say this as a customer who once called my internet service provider and was repeatedly cut off by the service rep as i tried to explain my problem. she insisted i just answer her questions. she then told me my erroneously discontinued email service, user name and password could not be restored. i knew she had to be wrong so insisted on speaking to a higher up (no, i did not impolitely demand) - who immediately said, no problem, and restored my service completely within a few minutes. i was subsequently asked to rate my experience. guess who was ranked as rude and incompetent? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Valdemar Posted June 17, 2011 Share #209 Posted June 17, 2011 lack of familiarity with the terminology related to a specific field does not mean lack of intelligence. No, I mean lack of intelligence. Q: My 'puter is telling me to push the enter key. What should I do? A: Push the enter key. Q: You mean I should push the enter key? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voigt Posted June 17, 2011 Share #210 Posted June 17, 2011 I believe the new firmware may have improved the camera's response time when coming out of sleep mode. Would you all please check to see if you find this to be true? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted June 17, 2011 Share #211 Posted June 17, 2011 In my past life, I did computer support. Trust me, he speaks the truth. I wouldn't wish this job on anyone. No wonder we outsource it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted June 17, 2011 Share #212 Posted June 17, 2011 Strange. I'm happy with the improvements (!) to the CV and ZM lenses I shoot with. My 4/21 Color Skopar is very usable out of the box now, and lenses like the 4/18 and 2,8/25 ZMs are essentially perfect now (which makes me happy to NO end, as I love them). What do you code the 4/21 as? And have you tried it at ISO 32, 640, 800 etc? Coded as a 21-NON-asph Elmarit it corrected perfectly (as with the CV 15mm BTW) before the upgrade, with the old firmware but only at ISO 160. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted June 17, 2011 Share #213 Posted June 17, 2011 What do you code the 4/21 as? And have you tried it at ISO 32, 640, 800 etc? Coded as a 21-NON-asph Elmarit it corrected perfectly (as with the CV 15mm BTW) before the upgrade, with the old firmware but only at ISO 160. Prior to the update I used it uncoded and let it shine - in all it's funky glory - and used CornerFix, as it was the ONLY way to use this lens on the M9. Coding didn't help any and just screwed with the funky image even more. Post update, uncoded is better than before... But when manually set to 2,8/21 Elmarit non-ASPH it's darn near perfect. Very, very minor red edging but no vignetting. I dare say that CornerFix no longer appears necessary. Note that I haven't tested this extensively yet (I'm more concentrated on the 2,8/25 ZM right now and it appears literally perfect save for minor vignetting wide open, coded as a 2/28 Summicron). I have it coded this way because of the framelines it brings up. C'est la vie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voigt Posted June 17, 2011 Share #214 Posted June 17, 2011 I believe the new firmware may have improved the camera's response time when coming out of sleep mode. Would someone please check to see if he get a faster response time? Anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 17, 2011 Share #215 Posted June 17, 2011 Let's stop the computer intelligence discussion before it gets out of hand. It has no place in this thread anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted June 17, 2011 Share #216 Posted June 17, 2011 Prior to the update I used it uncoded and let it shine - in all it's funky glory - and used CornerFix, as it was the ONLY way to use this lens on the M9. Coding didn't help any and just screwed with the funky image even more. Post update, uncoded is better than before... But when manually set to 2,8/21 Elmarit non-ASPH it's darn near perfect. There must be some sample variation between our lenses and/or cameras. Before the update, mine was already fine coded as Elmarit (at ISO 160 only, as I mentioned). Post-update it hasn't changed in that respect, nor in that from ISO 320 up, red-edge rears its ugly head progressively. Very, very minor red edging but no vignetting. Ok, to me that "minor" red edging is exactly the problem, not vignetting. I'm not looking for firmware to correct the inherent properties of my lenses, just to correct the one-sided color shift imposed by the M9's sensor/microlens-array/whatever it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Negative Posted June 17, 2011 Share #217 Posted June 17, 2011 There must be some sample variation between our lenses and/or cameras. Before the update, mine was already fine coded as Elmarit (at ISO 160 only, as I mentioned). Post-update it hasn't changed in that respect, nor in that from ISO 320 up, red-edge rears its ugly head progressively. . . Ok, to me that "minor" red edging is exactly the problem, not vignetting. I'm not looking for firmware to correct the inherent properties of my lenses, just to correct the one-sided color shift imposed by the M9's sensor/microlens-array/whatever it is. I think there's definitely some sample variation between cameras and lenses going on. Like I said earlier, I haven't done extensive testing and the lens doesn't have a long history with me either - I only picked it up something like two weeks ago. I definitely plan to test it more extensively in the near future though. I'm busy with the 2,8/25 ZM right now, which to me - is far more important. While I can understand that you want the firmware to fix everything, let's be realistic - Leica has no interest or motivation in fixing the performance of third-party lenses and I don't expect that to change any time soon, if ever. So far though, I (personally) have been lucky with the latest update - but time (and testing) will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindolfi Posted June 17, 2011 Share #218 Posted June 17, 2011 Variation between the sensors of different M9 bodies remains open to investigation, but I don't think that the variation between lenses of the same type (for instance a summicron 35/2.0) can be responsible for reported differences: the tolerances of fabrication are so tight, that the bundle of incoming rays can hardly vary between lenses of the same type. Furthermore: The problem with forum reported results is that many things may vary among which the M9 bodies. It would be very interesting to have 5 M9 bodies available and leave all factors the same during testing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted June 17, 2011 Share #219 Posted June 17, 2011 from what i can tell, the zm 2.8/21 coded as 21 non asph (as i did before) is superior to what it was. looks perfect at this stage. i also notice that response time in photos snapping into focus in the lcd has improved for the chimps among us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted June 17, 2011 Share #220 Posted June 17, 2011 from what i can tell, the zm 2.8/21 coded as 21 non asph (as i did before) is superior to what it was. looks perfect at this stage. i also notice that response time in photos snapping into focus in the lcd has improved for the chimps among us. I've certainly noticed a big improvement in the ZM21 2.8, though I haven't tested it in any methodical way, simply used it for photos in the normal way, and looked at the results. I can't say I've yet noticed any difference in the lcd or waking-up times though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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