BlackDE Posted June 8, 2011 Share #1 Posted June 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) What exactly is the difference between the MP and the M6, or asked differently, what exactly justifies the high price of a MP (used) compared to the M6? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bill Posted June 8, 2011 Share #2 Posted June 8, 2011 The MP is younger and better made. It is the sine qua non of a certain type of M Leica. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted June 8, 2011 Share #3 Posted June 8, 2011 and has a nicer film advance lever, viewfinder less prone to flare, and, in my opinion, the better rewind knob (but I think most prefer the M6's rewind knob). Both cameras are very good but I prefer the feel of my MP to the M6, and perhaps my M2 to the MP. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 8, 2011 Share #4 Posted June 8, 2011 What exactly is the difference between the MP and the M6, or asked differently, what exactly justifies the high price of a MP (used) compared to the M6? Hi Bean counters are avaricious Mug punters have too much money, and little sense. Noel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted June 8, 2011 Share #5 Posted June 8, 2011 I have asked this question before and the only answer i got back that appeared rooted in reality rather than personal aesthetics, which has its value, is that the mp meter is more sensitive. does that justify the price? not to me. spoke with a professional photographer the other day who switched to digital years ago in order to stay in business, and who prefers the m7 over all the film m's because it is faster. he finds the mp too slow to use. one person's opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
koray Posted June 8, 2011 Share #6 Posted June 8, 2011 I've never tried an MP, but I prefer my M2 to my M6! :-) Winding film on M2 gives a smooth buttery feeling. Rewinding film is much easier, too! No more slipping of the crank, and it takes only 45 seconds for a 36EXP film. I am fairly new to M2 and loading with spool is fairly easy, too! Oh and it is seriously better built, with a better non-flare rangefinder, and even cheaper! Sorry for hijacking the thread! :-) K. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Lord Posted June 8, 2011 Share #7 Posted June 8, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have both, and also had a M2 until last year. The MP is weightier and more solid feeling all round. Rewind lever and action better feel and quality. In contrast the M6 lever feels like it might work loose or snap off. I do find the M6 easier to load without problems though, seem to get jammed/non-advancement quite frequently with the MP, even though the innards look the same. Loved the M2, felt like and looked like an MP but none of the stress and paranoia about the cost of it and keeping it nice/loosing it etc. Just as well because SWMBO managed to destroy it on a carousel after I asked her to look after it for 10 mins while I went on a roller coaster.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted June 8, 2011 Share #8 Posted June 8, 2011 ... Just as well because SWMBO managed to destroy it on a carousel after I asked her to look after it for 10 mins while I went on a roller coaster.... Nooooooo... Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted June 8, 2011 Share #9 Posted June 8, 2011 The finder of the M6 can be upgraded to flare free optics, the advance lever can be easily replaced to one that matches the M3's. The differences are: Price, an MP is a lot more expensive than an M6 even if you factor in a CLA, VF upgrade and a replacement lever. A slightly more sensitive meter. The ISO dial on the back is less cluttered and probably easier to use (not that the M6's is that hard to set). It has the >*< LED display in the VF of the modern Ms for exposure indication, the M6 has the original ><. Heavier as there is (more) brass in an MP The rewind knob is the classic one from the M3 and not the angled from the M4 (unless you splurge and order one a-la carte). They look slightly different. Its and MP and not an M6, to some the most important factor. It seems to makes them feel set apart from the rest of us Leica nuts. In the end the lens on the body and the person pressing the shutter is far more important to the end result than if it is an MP or an M6. As Bill, the biggest MP nut I know (and I mean this affectionately Bill) will say in the end: "you pay your money and takes your choice". The only thing from the MP I really miss on my M6, now that I have had the VF optics upgraded, is the rewind knob of my M3, I much prefer that to the angled one of the M6. But it is certainly not enough to warrant the cost of an MP. Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k_g_wolf ✝ Posted June 8, 2011 Share #10 Posted June 8, 2011 Well said Carl, and: you were missed last weekend in ZINGST. Have a look at the photos in the German Forum Meetings- section (= Forumstreffen) for a few impressions ... Best GEORG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 8, 2011 Share #11 Posted June 8, 2011 I have both, and also had a M2 until last year. The MP is weightier and more solid feeling all round. Rewind lever and action better feel and quality. In contrast the M6 lever feels like it might work loose or snap off. I do find the M6 easier to load without problems though, seem to get jammed/non-advancement quite frequently with the MP, even though the innards look the same. Loved the M2, felt like and looked like an MP but none of the stress and paranoia about the cost of it and keeping it nice/loosing it etc. Just as well because SWMBO managed to destroy it on a carousel after I asked her to look after it for 10 mins while I went on a roller coaster.... You can trade them in. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted June 8, 2011 Share #12 Posted June 8, 2011 Well said Carl, and: you were missed last weekend in ZINGST. Thanks for the kind words. Carl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 8, 2011 Share #13 Posted June 8, 2011 I've never tried an MP, but I prefer my M2 to my M6! :-) Winding film on M2 gives a smooth buttery feeling. Rewinding film is much easier, too! No more slipping of the crank, and it takes only 45 seconds for a 36EXP film. I am fairly new to M2 and loading with spool is fairly easy, too! Oh and it is seriously better built, with a better non-flare rangefinder, and even cheaper! Sorry for hijacking the thread! :-) K. Hi K The M2 will accept IXMOO the MP wont. The MP had a clutch on the rewinding knob, that is not on the M2, this is unecessary and the clutch can fail, only needed on M7. The M2 has the DOF cutouts in the finder, MP does not (?). With a MP you wont get stopped by M9 owners who want to read the top plate script. Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted June 8, 2011 Share #14 Posted June 8, 2011 With a MP you wont get stopped by M9 owners who want to read the top plate script. Noel Not true. The MP is the film camera that most M9 owners aspire to. Anybody who wants an M2 has got one, or can have one. That's not the case with the MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted June 8, 2011 Share #15 Posted June 8, 2011 I've asked this question as well, because I have an M6 classic. I've read what people say about the MP being built better and things being tighter and smoother. How could that be when the M6 is so good already? I went to shop and handled one and guess what? It really what everyone says it is. It's a bit tighter, it's a smoother and for some reason, feels more solid. The black paint is nice too. I'd get one if I had the funds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdozier Posted June 9, 2011 Share #16 Posted June 9, 2011 It's not so much a technical question in my mind but more of a financial one. I have 2 MP's and one M6. I use them all interchangeably. There are some differences in build quality that I believe relate to the use of brass and the black paint finish. The MP is, overall a better quality body IMHO. However, you can upgrade the finder on the M6 and shot for shot both can and will produce the best images you are capable of. They're Leica's. If you want to afford an MP you won't be disappointed. I could just as easily say if you can afford an M6 you won't be disappointed. No wrong decision here in my opinion. All the best, M Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akiralx Posted June 9, 2011 Share #17 Posted June 9, 2011 spoke with a professional photographer the other day who switched to digital years ago in order to stay in business, and who prefers the m7 over all the film m's because it is faster. he finds the mp too slow to use. one person's opinion. I agree - I had a beautiful BP MP which I traded in for a 0.58 M7, best thing I ever did. The MP's shutter dial was so fiddly that too many photos were missed. The M7 seems more tightly constructed than an M6 TTL which I have been using this week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBA Posted June 9, 2011 Share #18 Posted June 9, 2011 I started out with am M6 classic and then got an MP and used them together for a while. I vastly preferred the MP. I found it far easier to focus, far easier and more comfortable to rewind (I still nurse an active hatred of the M6's rewind crank), and felt overall more solid and responsive. Best of all, it's a joy to use and it inspires me. When I found two more MP bodies virtually unused priced too cheaply not to buy, I got them and sold the M6 and a 50 Summicron. Don't regret it a bit. The only thing against the MP is the "roofing paper" covering. I've been meaning to have mine re-covered for a while now . . . Is the MP worth the premium over the M6? In purely mechanical terms, no. It's the raw emotional appeal that justifies the expenditure for people like me. If the M6 is like having an attractive & faithful wife, the MP is like having a torrid love affair with a supermodel. If you start down that slippery slope, you may find ways of justifying the premium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted June 9, 2011 Share #19 Posted June 9, 2011 M6 is Zinc and Chrome while the MP is Brass and comes in Black Paint. That is a Huge difference. I would NEVER touch a M6 for that reason alone. I hate the finish that bubbles with time. Poor M6 users. I hate the MPs framelines. In that regard, the M6 is better. But between the M6 Millennium and the MP, I will have to choose the M6 Millennium for many reasons: TTL (extremely valuable when you need it), much better back door ISO dial, back door Paint finish more consistent with the body Versus the MPs Chrome finish that absolutely doesn't match the BP body (another cheap cost-cutting measure), Brass eyelets instead of Silver Chrome, Black frame counter as opposed to the cheap cost-cutting white one that was probably scooped from the M6 production, The speed dial is bigger and easier to use, better leatherette then the extremely cheap crap that's on the MP. All in all, the MP looks like it's a dumbed down M6 Millennium on almost ALL aspects. Before I get attacked by the blind MP lovers breed I would like to stress the fact that I do own a M6 Millennium and a MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted June 9, 2011 Share #20 Posted June 9, 2011 Not true. The MP is the film camera that most M9 owners aspire to. Anybody who wants an M2 has got one, or can have one. That's not the case with the MP. Hi Gary But M9 owners seem to want the new top plate with scrpt ALC option on their M9, that is why they stop me they have shown no interest in film cameras, they just look around furtively and then stroke the M2 top plate, they dont ask to see an IXMOO. I am merely reporting their actions. The could be closet film users for all I know, but I was not about to issue Hail Marys if they confessed.. I have five M2 ('58 to 60 one in BP). There are lots of MP available 2nd hand. Only touched two ... both broken.. When I get stopped by kids in street they seem to think a Leica costs 5k GBP, I say no that is only the DM9, the film are about 3K, 2nd hand junk ]like my M2 400 GBP, chip and dink (vulcan). This is not much more expensive than their lomo, but they are sharp they say 'and the lens', 180 GBP chepo Jap, no detectable difference, must be they say, well this one has no super glue in it, their eyes narrow... I carry a Leica dealers bus card and hand it over and tell them to go play, simpler than giving directions repeatedly... Noel P.S. My spies say you have been testing lenses for performance, tusk tusk 1st signs of GAS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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