stunsworth Posted March 24, 2011 Share #21 Posted March 24, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Of course the whole mirror thing is starting to be an old technology, absolutely unneeded in today's cameras but still in production because the transition has to be gradual... Is there a consumer EVF camera that is as clear/good to look at as a consumer DSLR? One that doesn't suffer from motion lag and has the resolution of an optical viewfinder? I have no doubt that eventually EVFs will replace flappy mirrors in SLRs, but only when they can offer a pleasant viewing experience - something that seems to have been 'just around the corner' for as long as there have been EVF cameras. I'm still waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 24, 2011 Posted March 24, 2011 Hi stunsworth, Take a look here R...10, I guess they would call it. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Posto 6 Posted March 24, 2011 Share #22 Posted March 24, 2011 EVF cameras will presumably also use M lenses, potentially a problem for Leica unless they are properly positioned in the market. Anyway, the advantages of telephoto and wide-angle R lenses mean that demand for at least some of the R range has a significant potential for picking up. They are still rather cheap right now, and could easily outperform their M cousins over the coming years as far as values are concerned. The M range still suffers from a relatively narrow range of focal lengths, and is highly unlikely to be the final word from Leica as far as 35mm FF is concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted March 24, 2011 Share #23 Posted March 24, 2011 After the terrible natural disaster in Japan, with earthquakes, tsunami, and radioactive contamination of air and water, the Japanese photo industry probably is put out of action for a long time to come. I do not mean to be insensitive and cynical, but all of the most dangerous sharks in the so-called "shark pool" are now suffering from serious injuries. Why not just take this opportunity to get this already fully developed R10 body into the market a bit rapidly? It’s now or never. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted March 24, 2011 Share #24 Posted March 24, 2011 First of all, while the Japanese industry has probably been affected, I doubt that it's been "put out of action for a long time" given that much of the production takes place outside of Japan - and in any case only part of Japan has been affected. Secondly, how is this going to persuade buyers to buy into a high cost luxury brand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorflow Posted March 24, 2011 Share #25 Posted March 24, 2011 Just convert the R mount to the DSLR of your choice if you are stuck with a bunch of R lenses. To my knowledge the Sony A900/850 can take all R lenses whereas N and C have mirror interference problems with a number of the R's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 25, 2011 Share #26 Posted March 25, 2011 After the terrible natural disaster in Japan, with earthquakes, tsunami, and radioactive contamination of air and water, the Japanese photo industry probably is put out of action for a long time to come.I do not mean to be insensitive and cynical, but all of the most dangerous sharks in the so-called "shark pool" are now suffering from serious injuries. Why not just take this opportunity to get this already fully developed R10 body into the market a bit rapidly? It’s now or never. Only if you are as shark-like as the rest...And as short-sighted as any shark - how long do you think it will take the Japanese industry to recover? I think considerably less than a year - faster than Leica could get production going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 25, 2011 Share #27 Posted March 25, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just wonder why Nikon or Canon or Sony or whoever haven't come up with a FF EVF camera yet, if its such a great idea? They seem to persist with obsolete SLRs but why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildlightphoto Posted March 25, 2011 Share #28 Posted March 25, 2011 Just convert the R mount to the DSLR of your choice if you are stuck with a bunch of R lenses.... As long as you can live with the loss of auto-aperture that's a good solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted March 25, 2011 Share #29 Posted March 25, 2011 Why not just take this opportunity to get this already fully developed R10 body into the market a bit rapidly? ........................... Apart from all of the other reasons that have been discussed at some length previously, the R10 was not fully developed and there are zero lenses in production or stock that would fit it anyway. Nothing has changed to convince Leica Camera that there is enough market for a dSLR just for R lens owners, however much faithful R users would like that to change. New AF lenses of course would have to be developed just like the S series and might well take at least as long and perhaps cost as much or similar to the S lenses. Keep in mind that Leica Camera has taken quite some time to get the S2 lenses (especially the Centre Shutters) to the standard they want and actually out in the market place. Finally You cannot ignore that Leica Camera is severely back ordered for the M (and S?) lenses anyway. Anecdotally, I heard just yesterday that number is well north of 10,000 units. Yes that is unconfirmed and unofficial. We do know that M9 production is only now catching up to demand (based on availability in stores) and we do know that M lens shortages are world-wide. Diverting production to restart the R line or a new R AF line would just be madness! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns_ng Posted March 25, 2011 Share #30 Posted March 25, 2011 Just convert the R mount to the DSLR of your choice if you are stuck with a bunch of R lenses. To my knowledge the Sony A900/850 can take all R lenses whereas N and C have mirror interference problems with a number of the R's. I have converted some of my R lenses to the alpha mounts. This is one of the reasons I chose the A850, as my 19mm R will clear the mirror without any surgery. However, there are still a couple of lenses that might have mirror inteference issue. Have a look here, Leica lens for Sony cameras I am pleased with the results. Stop down metering is not an issue as I mainly shoot landscape with these lenses. I have both AF confirmation and Steady Shot activated as well. As a bonus, I have access to the Zeiss AF lenses. N.S. Ng Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 25, 2011 Share #31 Posted March 25, 2011 Many R owners do the same with canikon bodies but the lack of auto-aperture is painful in some situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janki Posted March 25, 2011 Share #32 Posted March 25, 2011 Only if you are as shark-like as the rest...And as short-sighted as any shark - how long do you think it will take the Japanese industry to recover? I think considerably less than a year - faster than Leica could get production going. I know it Jaap, .... I know. I just could not resist the temptation…… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 25, 2011 Share #33 Posted March 25, 2011 Many R owners do the same with canikon bodies but the lack of auto-aperture is painful in some situations. You get used to it. I couldn't be happier. Well I could, but that's another matter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 25, 2011 Share #34 Posted March 25, 2011 Coué method? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted March 25, 2011 Share #35 Posted March 25, 2011 I just wonder why Nikon or Canon or Sony or whoever haven't come up with a FF EVF camera yet, if its such a great idea? They seem to persist with obsolete SLRs but why? Right observation... everyone is speaking of EVF, but my impression is that is still far to be a tehcnology ready for a serious general purpose FF camera (just not to use the ethernal term "professional" ...) Times, industries and technology lifecycles are different, but think of how long did it take for the 35mm reflexes (Kine Exakta generation) to evolve to a real contender for RF Leica/Contax... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted March 25, 2011 Share #36 Posted March 25, 2011 I just wonder why Nikon or Canon or Sony or whoever haven't come up with a FF EVF camera yet, if its such a great idea? They seem to persist with obsolete SLRs but why? The technology is not here yet for larger and more expensive cameras. I think Canon is on it, and Leica is on it as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 25, 2011 Share #37 Posted March 25, 2011 The technology is not here yet for larger and more expensive cameras. I think Canon is on it, and Leica is on it as well. Strange that an EVF is OK for some cameras and not others. How is it OK for a small Olympus but not a FF 'SLR' ? The technology is here but it's just not good enough. I'd say they've looked at it but that it likely doesn't work as well as the prism finder, given the issues of battery power and time lag. So it's a compromise on a smaller camera where the option would be to design a more complicated/expensive optical finder or just rely on the LCD. But Nikon and Canon et al aren't going to compromise their SLR cameras as they probably know that people won't buy something that doesn't work as well as the existing technology. So the question is, how long will it be before an EVF can outperform a prism finder, and what will it do better than a prism finder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 25, 2011 Share #38 Posted March 25, 2011 Movie or TV camera makers could give us some insight i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted March 25, 2011 Share #39 Posted March 25, 2011 Movie or TV camera makers could give us some insight i guess. The requirements are very different. For a lot of still photography it's important that the viewfinder show the scene without perceptible lag - not just for "decisive moments" but also for quick manual focusing. With moving pictures, the way to capture the decisive moment is to have the camera running: a few hundred milliseconds are neither here nor there. Rapid focusing isn't needed so often either. On the other hand, really exact framing is more important with moving pictures than with stills (which can usually easily be cropped). All in all, the typical EVF is less problematic for moving pictures than for stills. As for atypical, the 60fps Red EVF lists at $3200. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colorflow Posted March 25, 2011 Share #40 Posted March 25, 2011 However, there are still a couple of lenses that might have mirror inteference issue. Have a look here, Leica lens for Sony cameras N.S. Ng The only questionable one is the 16mm. I know the Lux 35 v2 has no problem and the ROM zooms can be converted with an addtional milling on the Leitax mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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