andybarton Posted March 7, 2011 Share #21 Posted March 7, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) A pity about Andreas' effort to provide photoforums - the link to them seems to be disabled on some computers - Now if everybody who is complaining here about the gear-oriented aspects of this forum or about the low level of the work posted started participating there with brilliant images and educative critique the problem would be solved - we might even evolve to exihibitions of the work of LUF members... It would seem to me that the vast majority of members here are quite happy to talk the talk about gear only. We have been through the "Why people don't post their shots on the forum" a hundred times before. Most of us have our ideas about why it might be - I know why I rarely post photos here any more - but I'm sure that horse is well and truly flogged. I would love to see an exhibition of LUF users' work - we had one in book form last year, but to see those printed properly would be a treat. It'll never happen though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stunsworth Posted March 7, 2011 Share #22 Posted March 7, 2011 How can that be? They are just normal sub-sections of the forum. I think Jaap was being ironic - as in many people don't bother to participate in them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 7, 2011 Share #23 Posted March 7, 2011 Palm -> forehead... smack! Of course. Sorry Jaap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted March 7, 2011 Share #24 Posted March 7, 2011 We have been through the "Why people don't post their shots on the forum" a hundred times before. Most of us have our ideas about why it might be - I know why I rarely post photos here any more - but I'm sure that horse is well and truly flogged. Well, it's been discussed, but we've yet to try a 'critique/feedback' forum. People seem to expect only praise if they post something in the regular photo forums, the assumption being "hey I shot this with a Leica so it must be good". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmas Posted March 7, 2011 Share #25 Posted March 7, 2011 the vast majority of members here are quite happy to talk the talk about gear only I suspected it was a gear heads forum... Noel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted March 7, 2011 Share #26 Posted March 7, 2011 It isn't. But members discuss what members want to discuss and refrain from posting photographs in the photo section if they choose to. The make-up of the forum has completely changed in the 9 years or so since I first joined. Far more people want to only discuss kit now than in the beginning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted March 7, 2011 Share #27 Posted March 7, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) A photo sub-forum for critique/feedback would in principle be a beneficial addition. One snag would of course be that not many (dare I say all?) of us are versed in the art of criticism - especially of the constructive sort. The thinner-skinned amongst us might dip a toe into that world and having seen abuse piled high onto their effort, retreat and never post there again! Practice in the art of critique should of course eventually lead to a more polite use of language when demolishing someone's efforts, and it should always be remembered that those who criticise were not present when the photo was taken and therefore have no idea what restraints the photographer might have been working under. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted March 7, 2011 Share #28 Posted March 7, 2011 I should add that I print quite a number of my photographs (those that I like and consider my better ones) at up to A2 size in both B&W and colour. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm23221 Posted March 7, 2011 Share #29 Posted March 7, 2011 There are plenty of critique forums to be found on the internet where the type of gear used does not matter, and should not matter. A critique subforum here would ultimately relate back to gear again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 7, 2011 Share #30 Posted March 7, 2011 I tried one or two, I was not impressed. There are quite a number of photographers on this forum that I respect, I would rather be critiqued by them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 7, 2011 Share #31 Posted March 7, 2011 I enjoy the forum, but only for gear and process related issues (the Bar excepted), and some amusing banter, not for the real substance of photography, which for me has always been about wonderful pictures in print form. The only thing digital did for me was introduce another way to produce a print. No offense to even experienced members here, but I see no value in anonymous internet feedback on my photographs. That comes from selected others whose input I value and trust, however different from my own. And, in the end, it's my own eye that I have to trust. Same way I choose the photographs and books I collect. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted March 7, 2011 Share #32 Posted March 7, 2011 A lot of the PP work for digital these days is press one button stuff, Lightroom, Alien Skin, Nik aperture capture one etc offer so many presets that most don't bother beyond that and that is evident on most forums even here. There is a fair bit of it on places like Magnum, VII Photo as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 7, 2011 Share #33 Posted March 7, 2011 It's intensely depressing that this thread has less than half the posts than one about shoulder straps...I'm with Imants on this. I miss the box critiques. Pimped Leicas would be good, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted March 7, 2011 Share #34 Posted March 7, 2011 A lot of the PP work for digital these days is press one button stuff, Lightroom, Alien Skin, Nik aperture capture one etc offer so many presets that most don't bother beyond that and that is evident on most forums even here. There is a fair bit of it on places like Magnum, VII Photo as well. Agreed. Some "photo editors" are determined to shape the images to their hue. I have been cataloging a lot of what is on front page of many of the leading newspapers and there are disturbing trends. I have also be very interested in images taken for various "feature" assignments in the NYT's, WSJ & other serious publications. There appears to be a coming merger of aesthetic with PJ & fashion/entertainment content. SOmetimes it's hard to tell the difference. There still are some outposts in the press where things can be more experimental. Imants' poke in the eye on Burn was clever. Really enjoyed all the blabber & lather in the comments about his piece. What people will do to right their ship. Clever boy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted March 8, 2011 Share #35 Posted March 8, 2011 Ben, well some seem to think photography is a life and death matter---- or-------- is it that they have a mythical inclination to be the last great white hunter of photography:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
neli Posted March 16, 2011 Share #36 Posted March 16, 2011 Oh quite, and the irony of my posting in the thread to which I refer is not lost. But it's all about balance, and sometimes I think the balance around here tips just a little too far in favour of the bag & strap fetishising/pixel-peeping/ruler-snapping/worried-about-a-scratch/where's-the-firmware-update/I-want-the-NEXT-thing-and-I-want-it-NOW brigade. Cameras are for taking pictures - aren't they? Regards, Bill Wait, my Leica takes pictures? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted March 16, 2011 Share #37 Posted March 16, 2011 Really good point made about camera quality vs viewing on the computer screen. It really is mostly about "pixel peeping" since there is no way a computer screen or digital projector can make any real use of a "great quality" image. As noted - it seems to me that only projected slides can actually show what the camera/lens is capable of since not many people are still producing darkroom prints. I have to admit that I can't see any quality difference on my computer screen of an un-cropped image made with my point/shoot canon or made with my Nikon DLSR at the same equivalent focal length. Sure there are some color differences but any detail difference in the pic is not visible - and the DSLR has a much larger sensor and 3x the pixel count. OTOH, a projected Velvia slide on the wall next to the computer monitor taken of the same subject at the same time/lighting/focal length is clearly superior in every way. BUT that actual picture quality difference doesn't really matter because most people would not consider shooting slides/dragging out the projector as a general way to view pics. So it does bring up a really good point. WHY bother paying for a big megapixel camera when it is dramatically limited to the equivalent of a few megapixels by the way the image is viewed? The only reason I can see - and the one I use to justify expensive digital cameras - is that you can crop in quite a bit without losing detail (when viewed on the computer screen). But every once in a while I drag out the M6, load it with Velvia and shoot a few roles. And, every time I put them in the projector and view the results, I wonder if we haven't lost the plot totally when it comes to viewing photographs. I went to Panama recently and, for fun, took my M6/Velvia as well as the DSLR. When I got the slides back and we looked at them vs the images on the computer, the difference was laughable. The slides looked like you could walk into the picture - the computer screen was...just a computer screen. I am NOT making a film/vs digital thing - it's just about the fact that the way we VIEW digital pics 95% of the time makes anything beyond maybe 6MP pretty much useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 16, 2011 Share #38 Posted March 16, 2011 There is more in IQ than resolution fortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted March 17, 2011 Share #39 Posted March 17, 2011 Did anybody ever enjoy the exploration of a wonderful print or book with a big handheld loupe? I mean not about pixel peeping and looking for dust, but enjoy the wonderful effect of threedimensionality, when using a loupe, to explore prints from pictures with different image planes with different focus zones? I am completely hooked by this! If you shoot Leica lenses (or any lens, to prevent meaningless arguments) at this sweet spot aperture, where the background is "just" slightly out of focus, making the subject "hover" in dimension over the image, it gives you an amazing, amazing imaging experience with a big loupe. The loupe tends also, to slightly deform the image towards the outer rim, helping with the impression of dimensionality! It is like watching the world through one of these fancy 3D glasses, but better! This can't be made on a screen (whip out the loupe and prepare for seeing monitor pixels). This is entirely, exclusively possible with beautiful prints, be it wet or otherwise. Any 8x10 print, with a loupe is worlds better than a 30" screen and a web quality picture. To date, there is no way of sharing and enjoying photographs on the web (internet fora, image sharing sites, email) to the quality of a well made print - even in book format! And, this is not "just" about resolution - exactly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 17, 2011 Share #40 Posted March 17, 2011 With a microscope it is even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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