Muizen Posted November 25, 2010 Share #1 Posted November 25, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Because of wearing spectacles I have difficulties seeing the frame lines in the view finder and esp. those of the 28mm lens. I ordered an E-Clypse Eye Cup but undoubtedly I should first have asked for advise! Most likely this eye cup is not going to solve the problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted November 25, 2010 Share #2 Posted November 25, 2010 No.The eyecup will make the problem worse by moving your eye away from the eyepiece. But using a dioptre correction lens could help. What type of glasses do you wear? Having said that, the 28 mm framelines are never very easy to see on the M9. If you feel you need them, you could use a 28 mm accessory viewfinder to frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 25, 2010 Share #3 Posted November 25, 2010 I think you will find that as you get used to the camera the 28mm frameline won't be a big problem because you will get used to unconciously scanning around the edge to see where things are in the frame. Using a dioptre will mean you have to keep talking your specs off to use the camera, but a lot of people find a flexible pair of frames allow you to push against the eyepiece and get your eye closer and just about see the frame. I can use a 28mm lens just as easily as the rest and its probably half scanning the edges and half pressing my eye closer and I never notice I'm doing it. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted November 25, 2010 Share #4 Posted November 25, 2010 When I used 28mm lenses, I framed the pictures with an accessory 28mm finder. That's faster than "looking around the corners". Now I don't use 28mm lenses anymore. The old man from the Age of the 2.8cm Hektor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 25, 2010 Share #5 Posted November 25, 2010 I also prefer an external finder for 28 and wider. Could never understand why Leica thought the edges of the 0.72x finder had room to include a 28mm frame. Lars, you say you no longer use a 28. What's your 'go-to' focal length instead? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted November 26, 2010 Share #6 Posted November 26, 2010 Howard, my "standard lens" is 35mm. I feel no need for 28mm on a FF camera; I got into the focal length only to accommodate my M8. Now I am using a M9, so away went the Summicron ASPH. Oh yes, it is a lovely lens, but to me, the focal length is pointless. My new "wider" lens is a 25mm Biogon. I have always liked that field of view, on SLR cameras too, and I am old enough to remember when every focal length except 50mm needed an outboard finder! And I do find the difference between 35 and 25mm great enough to be meaningful. By the way, the sale of the 28 helped to finance my upgrading of the 35mm Summilux to the new version. A justified sacrifice. The old man from the Age of the WEISU Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muizen Posted November 26, 2010 Author Share #7 Posted November 26, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) No.The eyecup will make the problem worse by moving your eye away from the eyepiece. But using a dioptre correction lens could help. What type of glasses do you wear? Having said that, the 28 mm framelines are never very easy to see on the M9. If you feel you need them, you could use a 28 mm accessory viewfinder to frame. I have slight correction of -0,5. However if I would have to remove my glasses when using a diopter this would be too inconvenient. A separate view finder I would not want to use either. Such little complications would do away with the spontaneity of photography? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 26, 2010 Share #8 Posted November 26, 2010 I have slight correction of -0,5. However if I would have to remove my glasses when using a diopter this would be too inconvenient.... Why so? -0.5 is nothing. I have -1.5 at infinity and i use correction lenses with all my cameras. Just choose the right magnification. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 26, 2010 Share #9 Posted November 26, 2010 i use correction lenses with all my cameras. So do I, except with the more modern ones, that have an adjustable diopter, I don't. Nevertheless, a coorection lens only corrects the spherical value and not the axis, which could cause difficulties depending on the value you need. On the other hand, since the viewfinder of an M is already corrected by default to a value of -0.5, I don't think Muizen does need a correction lens at all. More on this subject can be read HERE Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 26, 2010 Share #10 Posted November 26, 2010 Leica's -0.5 correction is set for 2 meters if memory serves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 26, 2010 Share #11 Posted November 26, 2010 Leica's -0.5 correction is set for 2 meters if memory serves. That sounds about right. Anyhow, the question was about not beeing able to see the 28mm frame lines and the answers to that question have been given. - get used to it - use a correction lens - use an external VF Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 26, 2010 Share #12 Posted November 26, 2010 And my response is: use the right correction lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhabedi Posted November 26, 2010 Share #13 Posted November 26, 2010 I've been using Leica rangefinders with glasses for 15 year now, mostly with a 35mm lens. I have to say that, even with this lens, I'd be very happy to see more of what's happening outside of the frame than I do at the moment. (That's one of the main points of rangefinders for me.) When I know that I'll spend a considerable amount of time shooting, I use contact lenses. But that's not always feasible. Only pretty recently did I have the chance to try a friend's MP with a 0.58 viewfinder and I was amazed. Big difference, at least for me. I'm now trying to find a good used Leica with such a viewfinder and will sell my 0.72 M7 once I've found one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muizen Posted November 27, 2010 Author Share #14 Posted November 27, 2010 I'm now trying to find a good used Leica with such a viewfinder and will sell my 0.72 M7 once I've found one. What type of view finder would I have to get? Thanks for your advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 27, 2010 Share #15 Posted November 27, 2010 What type of view finder would I have to get?Thanks for your advice. Which one does your camera have right now? But from what nhabedi is saying I would expect that you would need a .58 viewfinder. Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juergen Posted November 27, 2010 Share #16 Posted November 27, 2010 Only pretty recently did I have the chance to try a friend's MP with a 0.58 viewfinder and I was amazed. Big difference, at least for me. I'm now trying to find a good used Leica with such a viewfinder and will sell my 0.72 M7 once I've found one. Unless you want to change to an MP anyhow, why don't you have the .72 VF of your M7 exchanged for one with .58 magnification? Edit: Silly question!! Would be far to expensive Juergen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted November 27, 2010 Share #17 Posted November 27, 2010 Unless you want to change to an MP anyhow, why don't you have the .72 VF of your M7 exchanged for one with .58 magnification? Edit: Silly question!! Would be far to expensive Juergen There are 0.85x viewfinder 'magnifiers' advertised from third party suppliers on ebay, might they do the trick? Anyone any experience of them? Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 27, 2010 Share #18 Posted November 27, 2010 No - they cannot increase the field of view of the viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gyoung Posted November 28, 2010 Share #19 Posted November 28, 2010 No - they cannot increase the field of view of the viewfinder. One of the 'improvements' I have always fancied for the M series is a 'high eyepoint' finder to enable us spectacle wearers to see the outermost frames more easily. Gerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted November 28, 2010 Share #20 Posted November 28, 2010 Can't be done with the current finder, Gerry, as demonstrated by the need to reduce magnification in the M8 and M9. As primarily a wide-angle user, I would also prefer a broader view of the finder. But practically speaking, it would mean a lower-magnification viewfinder; and that would mean decreased focusing accuracy. That would, of course, be most noticeable with lenses 50 mm and longer. IMHO, that means a future something that isn't an M camera as we know and respect it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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