jimleicam3 Posted October 19, 2010 Share #1 Posted October 19, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have an M3, M8, a 50 Lux, a 35 Cron, and a 50 Cron. I just purchased a V- Lux 2 to take on a adventure vacation, and about to buy my wife a v-lux 20. Granted, I could buy the two later cameras as the Panasonic versions and saved a fair amount of cash. However, I own a small business that competes with non-profits, large Box stores, and the internet, I would love to save money!!. What will the world be like when Leica is gone? What will happen when the only place to buy a camera will be WalMart, with zero service, and quality? what will happen when all cameras are made in the Far East, where quality control does not exist? I know that my business can not compete with companies that can sell their products and services for less cost than I can purchase them, I will survive by providing outstanding service, and that will keep our smaller camera shops and Leica around. In ten years I don't want to go to WalMart to buy a cheap, junky, camera. Let's think about our current purchases!! Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dan States Posted October 19, 2010 Share #2 Posted October 19, 2010 The "Far East" is where quality control was perfected. Small camera shops usually go out of business for the same reason as any other business...the customer finds better value, service or a combination of both, somewhere else. Most failed camera shops died by suicide, not by murder. They don't keep enough inventory or expertise on hand and hire people who like cameras, but can't sell worth a darn. When is the last time a camera shop salesperson took your name as a lead and then called you back? In 30 years I've only had it happen in one shop, Central Camera, Chicago. Failing to follow basic big-ticket sales practices like proper, organized lead generation and follow up, customer call backs and basic sales training is a recipe for disaster. If small business people expect the public to support them out of sympathy for the "little guy" the are going to fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
super7668 Posted October 20, 2010 Share #3 Posted October 20, 2010 I have an M3, M8, a 50 Lux, a 35 Cron, and a 50 Cron. I just purchased a V- Lux 2 to take on a adventure vacation, and about to buy my wife a v-lux 20. Granted, I could buy the two later cameras as the Panasonic versions and saved a fair amount of cash. However, I own a small business that competes with non-profits, large Box stores, and the internet, I would love to save money!!. What will the world be like when Leica is gone? What will happen when the only place to buy a camera will be WalMart, with zero service, and quality? what will happen when all cameras are made in the Far East, where quality control does not exist? I know that my business can not compete with companies that can sell their products and services for less cost than I can purchase them, I will survive by providing outstanding service, and that will keep our smaller camera shops and Leica around. In ten years I don't want to go to WalMart to buy a cheap, junky, camera. Let's think about our current purchases!! Jim I doubt people like you can provide outstanding service. outstanding service is based on caring, understanding, responsibility and perfection, not prejudice and ignorance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggi Posted October 20, 2010 Share #4 Posted October 20, 2010 With the V-LUX 2 you get a license for Adobe Photoshop Elements and Premiere Elements. This the Lumix DMC-FZ 100 does not have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimleicam3 Posted October 20, 2010 Author Share #5 Posted October 20, 2010 I doubt people like you can provide outstanding service. outstanding service is based on caring, understanding, responsibility and perfection, not prejudice and ignorance. Where do you get the prejudice and ignorance from? All I am saying is that companies like Leica, that have made great products in the past, will need our support to continue into the future. Oh and by the way, I will take my outstanding service and striving for perfection any day of the week. If you want to live in a Big Box world, knock your self out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendanLynch Posted October 20, 2010 Share #6 Posted October 20, 2010 This thread is pretty pointless and doesn't belong in the M8 forum. That being said, you're contradicting yourself saying you don't see quality and value in Panasonic-built "big box" cameras and then you go out and buy 2 of them? I don't get it. Buying a rebranded Panasonic just to pay a few bucks to Leica in the process seems misguided. Granted, I love the D-LUX 3 I own but don't see it as more than a DMC-LX2 with a better warranty and (to my eyes) a nicer design and case - which was worth the extra cost at the time. It's still a commodity piece of kit under that red dot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted October 20, 2010 Share #7 Posted October 20, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jim, I don't think any of the posters so far have read and understood your post. You're right, it's more expensive because of the people who stand behind it. When I saw the title of the thread, I was afraid it would be a complaint rather than a pleasant acknowledgment. I was sitting with four fellow Leica owners just last week, when one of them said "The problem with this brand is, it's addictive." Despite the fact that all but one of us feel badly stung by Leica's discontinuation of the R, we're all still strong supporters of the marque and glad the company is still there. Thanks for your insight! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted October 20, 2010 Share #8 Posted October 20, 2010 Despite the fact that all but one of us feel badly stung by Leica's discontinuation of the R, we're all still strong supporters of the marque and glad the company is still there. And Leica kept the R line going despite being barely profitable (and I suspect, a loss-leader for a good portion of the time) a heckuva lot longer than any other brand would have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted October 20, 2010 Share #9 Posted October 20, 2010 What Ho-Co said. My purchase string so far is M4, M6, D2, M8, M8, M9, and C-lux-2, not to include the Leica point-and-shoots. Lenses have included nocti', 35 'lux both non- and -a, 50 DR, 50 'lux both non- and -a, 24 'rit, 75 'lux, 90 'cron, and 135 'rit. I agree totally about these hand-made devices. We are very lucky if we can play at this. It's too bad that the "light room" aspect of this endeavor is also expensive. I'm now trying to save up for a color-correct monitor. It's all about the glass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 20, 2010 Share #10 Posted October 20, 2010 what will happen when all cameras are made in the Far East, where quality control does not exist? Oh please do we need this kind of crap all the time? Firstly, check where your PanaLeica's are made. Then try asking where most of the guts of your M8 are made. After that try asking Nikon or Canon owners about their experience of using cameras from companies who have no quality control! We all love our Leicas but we don't need to take such a jingoistic attitude to other brands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
braza2013 Posted October 20, 2010 Share #11 Posted October 20, 2010 Oh please do we need this kind of crap all the time? It could be that he was talking about the future of camera production, and not the quality control of the Japanese, which I am sure most agree, is excellent... Why are people jumping on this guy's back so hard? Is a nostalgic point of view really that provocative? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Overview Posted October 21, 2010 Share #12 Posted October 21, 2010 braza2013 Yeah, this kind of jumping all over a poster is really getting on my nerves too! I really don't need it: too ugly. I think I am better off doing something else. cheers, Rip Tragle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 21, 2010 Share #13 Posted October 21, 2010 I will survive by providing outstanding service, and that will keep our smaller camera shops and Leica around. In ten years I don't want to go to WalMart to buy a cheap, junky, camera. I think your problem will be finding those few people who need their ego's massaging by counter staff. After all its just a camera whether a Leica or a Canon. People go into camera shops these days armed with far more information culled from the internet and magazines about what they want, so sales are more to do with handing goods over rather than selling. After the initial purchase more important than shop service for Leica is the customers relationship with the factory, and this is what keeps customers close. You don't need a shop near you offering 'outstanding service' if the intrinsic nature of Leica's philosophy has always been 'send it to us and we will fix it'. Don't get me wrong, there will always be people who like to be served by outstanding service, but its not a scalable commodity if the manufacturer is the one offering the real service, which is its loyalty and support for the customer. So yes, I could have bought my M9 from Walmart. And I wouldn't have minded if it was a trained chimp that handed it over because like ever increasing numbers of people I was buying it without needing to open the box in order to convince myself, I had all the information in advance. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 21, 2010 Share #14 Posted October 21, 2010 braza2013Yeah, this kind of jumping all over a poster is really getting on my nerves too! I really don't need it: too ugly. I think I am better off doing something else. cheers, Rip Tragle. It's a forum, people post stuff to get reactions, some may be good, some less so. If you post stuff that's just factually wrong then expect people to put you right! I know I've been corrected enough times! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted October 21, 2010 Share #15 Posted October 21, 2010 Local stores are going out of business because they can not compete with big box on price. That simple. In fact people go to the local, fondle, ask question from someone who knows, then they buy at the big box. After you lose yur lens cap or need a filter, go to BB and try to get a replacement. And you will have to go there because the local is now gone from lack of sales. Cheap foreign good are the scourge of the economy. Made overseas means it is sold cheaper in USA, but we have less jobs as a result. Now massive unemployment and trillion dollar deficits. I am for free trade, but this is not trade. This is making the USA a sales point to keep their economy going, but they get little from us. Except for intellectual property which they steal and we are too stupid to prevent. Actually we can never compete on low value added items because they work for 1/10 to 1/20 of our munimum wage with no OSHA or environmental regulations. We invented windmills. Guess where they are made? Our favorite "trading" partner. Who is behind these policies? Well you figure it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 21, 2010 Share #16 Posted October 21, 2010 ...what will happen when all cameras are made in the Far East, where quality control does not exist?... This question was recurrent 50 years ago about Japan. Now Japanese QC is second to none but prices are on par with ours as we could expect. The same will probably arise in other Far East countries don't you think so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 21, 2010 Share #17 Posted October 21, 2010 What will happen when all cameras are made in the Far East, where quality control does not exist? Thanks. I laughed long and hard. At you. -- Pico from Warwick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted October 22, 2010 Share #18 Posted October 22, 2010 Edward Deming started statistical process control in the 1950`s and tried to sell it to American companies. After repeated failures , he went to Japan where he was sucessful. We have been trying to catch up ever since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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