lct Posted September 21, 2010 Share #21 Posted September 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica's always done that. $33,000 for the I A Luxus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wildlightphoto Posted September 21, 2010 Share #22 Posted September 21, 2010 ... There was a ready market for the R10. Now they have half the customer base kludge mounting their lenses on other peoples DSLRs and losing most of the modern functionality. I for one have both my PC lenses adapted to Nikon full frame. Viso 90,135,65,200,280,400,560 all work with the camera quest adapter. Thinking about a few more kludge mounts for the 21,60,100 APO, Shame I have to resort to this. Fotodiox and Leitax are the makers. I have Fotos and they are fine. Understand there are Chinese versions too. BTW, they all work great image wise on Nikon. The D700 has a split image focus screen, the D3 just confirmation lights. Only problem is I have regressed to 1950 early slr functionality. There are all the Nikon lenses I can use if I need AF or auto diaphragm. Kludge and 1950s functionality is right. Some people seem to be happy with that, I'm not. A split-image focussing aid or focus confirmation lights do not in any way equal the functionality of a good plain matte viewscreen that can be used to focus quickly, accurately, at any point in the picture area. This is one of the big advantages of an SLR viewing system that was lost in the market's adoption of AF. It's one of the most important features of the R8/DMR (though the SL's viewfinder is better) and it's one of the most important things I'd want to see in an adequate solution. Focus "points" whether optical or electronic are an inadequate kludge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 21, 2010 Share #23 Posted September 21, 2010 Come on people, Ti is really pretty. Wear it on your neck and you can be the envy of every photog you see. You don`t even have to know how to take a decent picture. Repeat it is probably the most prettty camera I have ever seen. If that floats your boat, so be it. As far as electronic frame lines, it is probably a cost savings disguised as an improvement. Are they selling any S2`s now that it is ready for market? There was a ready market for the R10. Now they have half the customer base kludge mounting their lenses on other peoples DSLRs and losing most of the modern functionality. I for one have both my PC lenses adapted to Nikon full frame. Viso 90,135,65,200,280,400,560 all work with the camera quest adapter. Thinking about a few more kludge mounts for the 21,60,100 APO, Shame I have to resort to this. Fotodiox and Leitax are the makers. I have Fotos and they are fine. Understand there are Chinese versions too. BTW, they all work great image wise on Nikon. The D700 has a split image focus screen, the D3 just confirmation lights. Only problem is I have regressed to 1950 early slr functionality. There are all the Nikon lenses I can use if I need AF or auto diaphragm. I am a happy R user - have been so for two decades. But I am realistic enough to know this has always been a miniscule market segment, the last ten years less than a blip on the charts. It has always been a marginal line for Leica. By 2005 it had become a money pit. There is no way it could be attractive to pick it up again - sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted September 21, 2010 Share #24 Posted September 21, 2010 Leica's always done that. $33,000 for the I A Luxus. LCT - as others have pointed-out, this situation is not the same. If Leica had quietly released this grotesquely ugly, monstrously over-priced camera at any other time, without the fanfare and build-up, then it would presumably have gone under the radar of most serious photographers, and thereby not done too much harm. In my very humble opinion, the camera launch is a clear sign that Leica has lost its true direction again, and the camera as a whole is a gross embarrassment, and will have put off a large number of people who might have thought that one day they could afford to join the Leica-M digital crowd. Not to mention Leica's existing customers who must now be having some serious doubts about the future of the M line, and the overall pricing strategy of future releases. I can't respect any camera manufacturer that allows such (trash) style to dominate over function (the ridiculous overblown shade designed to direct the maximum amount of light directly into the lens for extra flare and reflections, for instance). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted September 21, 2010 Share #25 Posted September 21, 2010 The M9 rescued the company. Why? Because it was a brilliantly engineered photographic tool Not really. Someone pulled the rabbit out of the hat and did the real work providing a full frame sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted September 21, 2010 Share #26 Posted September 21, 2010 There are already at least three brands of dSLR that you can put your R glass on. And of course, there is the Leica V-LUX 2 that takes R glass via the Raqual adapter. Unfortunately, it's micro 4/3. But it ain't over 'till it is over! There are still a couple days to see the rest of the line. No? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted September 21, 2010 Share #27 Posted September 21, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) >Did Leica Management Learn Anything? No. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicpeh Posted September 21, 2010 Share #28 Posted September 21, 2010 The 500 units are most probably all catered for already. Now does the Leica management need to learn anything? PS: I think it's digital that turned the company around; not in particular the M8 or M9...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted September 21, 2010 Share #29 Posted September 21, 2010 - sigh - they did it because they can...not everyone is supposed to own a company's halo product. This was a collaboration that likely has more beneath the surface than meets the eye. I'm certainly not embarrassed by it in any sense, it was touted as a design excercise. Nikon users are whining because there's no EVIL solution yet for them, or a D4X. They complain about the price of the new Nikkor 35/1.4 or 24/1.4...so everyone is cranky it seems apart from the Fuji & Sigma camp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicpeh Posted September 21, 2010 Share #30 Posted September 21, 2010 - sigh - they did it because they can......so everyone is cranky it seems apart from the Fuji & Sigma camp. Not all. There are a number in the Fuji camp saying that the X100 is ugly and totally out of whack!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted September 21, 2010 Share #31 Posted September 21, 2010 And of course, there is the Leica V-LUX 2 that takes R glass via the Raqual adapter. Unfortunately, it's micro 4/3. :DYou are being facetious? Or are you badly mistaken? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted September 21, 2010 Share #32 Posted September 21, 2010 a company's halo product. LOL. My point was that this will put more people off than bring them in. This is naturally a matter of opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kemal_mumcu Posted September 21, 2010 Share #33 Posted September 21, 2010 It's a concept camera folks. What's wrong with that? Most concept stuff gets put in the trash later but Leica is able to turn this into a little money maker for themselves. At the same time they are able to try new ideas that they might or might not eventually put into a production M. We all benefit in the end. Leica cameras CAN be improved and I'm glad to see Leica experimenting in this way. I look forward to seeing what Leica can do with the M10. I bet it'll be much better in every way than the M9T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patashnik Posted September 21, 2010 Share #34 Posted September 21, 2010 I'm seeing people with money paying Leica to buy a camera. I see Leica taking this money and spending it on R&D. I'm happy. I simply fail to see the problem. Whatever "overpriced image problem" people are reading into this, I would presume that went long ago. About the time they released the Leica R4 in snakeskin and gold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveYork Posted September 21, 2010 Share #35 Posted September 21, 2010 There was nothing "new" for Leica to introduce. How could there be? They introduced the M9 a year ago and until recently were back ordered. I view this Ti M9 as something simply to fill up an empty page at Photokina. But Fuji I believe will really hit a grand slam with their new camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddp Posted September 21, 2010 Share #36 Posted September 21, 2010 LOL. My point was that this will put more people off than bring them in. This is naturally a matter of opinion. The pricing of any current new M camera alone (film or digital) is likely to put off people outside the Leica sphere of nuttiness. I don't quite recall this type of outcry when they unveiled the M7 Titanium 50 year set, or the Ralph Gibson limited MP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted September 21, 2010 Share #37 Posted September 21, 2010 The pricing of any current new M camera alone (film or digital) is likely to put off people outside the Leica sphere of nuttiness. I don't quite recall this type of outcry when they unveiled the M7 Titanium 50 year set, or the Ralph Gibson limited MP. This discussion can go on for ever. The point, as I said, is context. They unveiled this as a big event on the eve of photokina. As far as I'm concerned, the camera is an atrocious parody and furthermore I think many people hoped that Leica had left the bijou releases behind them. What's more, as has been pointed-out, many of the features adversely effect usability: the oversized shade will almost definitely cause reflection problems, the hand-only strap means that it can't realistically be used as a carry-round camera without the extra case, and there's no cable release. Some people think it's great that Leica are putting all this effort into scraping a few million dollars from the rich and stupid. I personally think it makes them a laughing stock and shows that they're concentrating their efforts in the wrong areas. But that's just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted September 21, 2010 Share #38 Posted September 21, 2010 A more appropriate thread would be: Did Leica users learn anything? No. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arminw Posted September 21, 2010 Share #39 Posted September 21, 2010 These days leica is all about money money money ... It's not the tool for photographers anymore. Shame to those who run the company.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 21, 2010 Share #40 Posted September 21, 2010 Balderdash. I have never seen so many grown men behaving like spoiled brats. Good grief. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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