bill Posted September 16, 2010 Share #21 Posted September 16, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Instead of a build in flash a good size pop up VF, with basic focus confirmation, could easily have been installed. Are you a camera designer, old chap, to make such a definitive statement? Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ecaton Posted September 16, 2010 Share #22 Posted September 16, 2010 No:D! Ok granted, the part with the af confirmation might have it's challenges. But a simple OVF could easily be mounted where the flash unit sits today. Regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted September 16, 2010 Share #23 Posted September 16, 2010 I agree with ''could be'', and I for one would totally rethink the viability of the X1 for my purposes if there was a version with an OVF. It's the ''easily'' bit that bothers me. that's nearly as bad as ''just'' Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
archi4 Posted September 16, 2010 Share #24 Posted September 16, 2010 I found Sean Reid's comparison worth reading on this subject. Welcome to ReidReviews Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen.w Posted September 16, 2010 Share #25 Posted September 16, 2010 I agree with ''could be'', and I for one would totally rethink the viability of the X1 for my purposes if there was a version with an OVF. It's the ''easily'' bit that bothers me. that's nearly as bad as ''just'' The Canon G series of compacts have a built-in OVF, but framing just wasn't as accurate as I would have liked. I use the Voigtländer 35mm finder on the X1 and even though it adds a bit of bulk to the camera, it is a joy to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest badbob Posted September 16, 2010 Share #26 Posted September 16, 2010 Yes Bob, what I am in effect saying is that I believe anyone who is doubtful about the X1 but somehow buys it or gets to use it WILL BE totally happy given the IQ/interface compared to the sony or panasonic. But that of course is my own personal opinion and experience. That's a *huge* assumption for such a marginal camera sold in microscopic quantities compared to the m4/3 models. I'd agree that someone would be happy with it, but if 100 people were shopping and giving full consideration to all small cameras, no more than 5 of those people would be satisfied with an X1. The idea that anyone would be happier with the X1 defies logic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted September 16, 2010 Author Share #27 Posted September 16, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) Couldn't agree more about the OVF. It's a must have. I also like the Voigtländer one, it is extremely clear and well made. I wouldn't mind a big clear finder in place of the flash and a smaller LCD, but I don't think it's gonna happen. Besides, there's already such a camera. It's called the M9. In many ways the M9 would do everything I need of a digital (except ultra close-ups) but with sensor technology changing so fast it is a huge investment. I still haven't seen any conclusive comparisons of IQ showing the overwhelming superiority of the X1. I couldn't tell from the Steve Huff site; I can't find the comparison on the Reid Review site. I really like the handling of the X1. If I want to make a manual adjustment it's so easy to flick a dial-- although they are too loose. There are times, though, when I need something wider than a 35 so I have also taken the Ricoh GR-D with its 21 adapter. The IQ of the Leica is much better, but the GR-D is still pretty good. Taling ne camera would be easier! A W/A extension to the X1 would be ideal. Both the GF1 and the LX-5 look pretty good from the specs, despite the small sensor, but handling of all of them is not as good as the X1. (Buttons are fiddly, and I have large fingers.) It will be very interesting to see what comes up at Photokina! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phancj Posted September 17, 2010 Share #28 Posted September 17, 2010 That's a *huge* assumption for such a marginal camera sold in microscopic quantities compared to the m4/3 models. I'd agree that someone would be happy with it, but if 100 people were shopping and giving full consideration to all small cameras, no more than 5 of those people would be satisfied with an X1. The idea that anyone would be happier with the X1 defies logic. Like i said, only if the person somehow owns it or gets to use it, which is unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted September 17, 2010 Author Share #29 Posted September 17, 2010 Apologies for typos. Shows what hapepns when yu rush replying in five minutes -- and don't have nimble fingers. Have been somewhat busy. I meant to say, a single camera that combined the IQ and handling of the X1 with the versatility of interchangeable lenses would be excellent. But I don't think there is such a camera. Yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted September 17, 2010 Share #30 Posted September 17, 2010 Apologies for typos. Shows what hapepns when yu rush replying in five minutes -- and don't have nimble fingers. Have been somewhat busy. I meant to say, a single camera that combined the IQ and handling of the X1 with the versatility of interchangeable lenses would be excellent. But I don't think there is such a camera. Yet. The Ricoh GXR A12 with the macro 50 and the upcoming 28mm module comes pretty close to this with better handling and similar IQ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted September 17, 2010 Share #31 Posted September 17, 2010 The Ricoh GXR A12 with the macro 50 and the upcoming 28mm module comes pretty close to this with better handling and similar IQ. Better handling? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardM8 Posted September 17, 2010 Share #32 Posted September 17, 2010 Similar IQ ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted September 17, 2010 Share #33 Posted September 17, 2010 Yes and yes. Re user interface the GXR beats the X1 in several respects. Iso change, switching from af to mf and vice versa, all with one click of a button, snap mode, mf via lens barrel ring rather than a flimsy wheel, better screen, build in lens hood ( a la lux 50), better handgrip. Re IQ, have a look at Sean Reid's and dpreview's reviews. Logically, the reviews cover the 50mm module only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsrockit Posted September 17, 2010 Share #34 Posted September 17, 2010 Well, I for one, think the X1 is perfect regarding user interface and handling, but I prefer things minimal and small. To each, his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hector_jorge Posted September 17, 2010 Share #35 Posted September 17, 2010 Instead of a build in flash a good size pop up VF, with basic focus confirmation, could easily have been installed. A x.1 with better af, improved mf functionality, and a pop up VF with af confirm. would be hot. I`m of the same opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 17, 2010 Share #36 Posted September 17, 2010 and....................? Samsung NX100 Preview: 1. Introduction: Digital Photography ReviewYouTube - Samsung NX100 featured with i-Function Lens Sounds interesting indeed. Any idea on responsiveness of the EVF? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 17, 2010 Share #37 Posted September 17, 2010 Some sites state that it responds on the par with the Sony nex as a camera, though it is a bit dodgie in the higher isos and IQ is run of the mill stuff. Samsung seem to be on a learning curve just as Sony has been they bought konika/minolta to save a bit of research time. My take is that they pulled the trigger too quickly in order to combat the Japanese camera manufacturers, I like some of their ideas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 17, 2010 Share #38 Posted September 17, 2010 Samsung benefits from Pentax experience i guess. I do like their approach as well but the NX10's EVF is far from perfect i've been told. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jto555 Posted September 18, 2010 Share #39 Posted September 18, 2010 I meant to say, a single camera that combined the IQ and handling of the X1 with the versatility of interchangeable lenses would be excellent. But I don't think there is such a camera. Yet. There is. It is called the M8. That is the problem with an X1 with interchangeable lens, it could cannibalise sales of M cameras. An X1 with M lenses would be very close to the IQ of an M9 but at 1/4 of the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted September 18, 2010 Share #40 Posted September 18, 2010 There is. It is called the M8. That is the problem with an X1 with interchangeable lens, it could cannibalise sales of M cameras. An X1 with M lenses would be very close to the IQ of an M9 but at 1/4 of the price. Mine has no af, how about yours? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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