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Ivan Goriup

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 A head-on view

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I was going to wait a while, but it seems more than one have taken the time to pursue the story behind this fascinating and remarkable automobile & are aware of the identity of this thing so I thi

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Not a 450, 150, 200 or 300 - rarer than those, with only two original factory cars made, although some have been cobbled together later. Given that you can't measure the engine size from my photo and

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I have several and will search... but here's a really unrecognizable one... 😎 because my dad had some normal cars... but HIS dad even BUILT its own !! he had a small workshop for agri gear... and put

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......the inevitable rear view - note the 'fin' on the spare tire cover - I believe the first appearance of 'aero' attempts on GP cars.

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In motion during the Pebble 'Tour d'Elegance', prior to the Concours. The sound of the supercharged 8-0cylider in-line engine is enough of a treat to make your day.

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That looks virtually identical to our one, which is a 1935 2.6 Corsa with Zagato Le Mans body. It was the spare car for the 1935 Le Mans. Of all pre-war cars, it is by far my favourite to drive. It does not have the usual pre-war Alfa very long travel gearchange, where 2nd and 3rd are in separate zip codes but has a very short travel constant mesh dog clutch engagement, gated gearbox, where you can change gears as fast as you can move your hand, in fact the faster the smoother the gearchange will be. We did a drag race between that and our Bugatti 57SC supercharged low chassis Gangloff coupé on the La Mole airport runway and the Alfa won hands down, although slightly heavier, nominally less powerful and less torque. Its supposed 180 BHP must not be the usual Italian miniature ponies but Flemish draught horses. It has been raced quite a lot most of its life, so the engine may well have been "improved" over the years and we think the Bugatti had a tired supercharger against a newly rebuilt one on the Alfa. 

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10 hours ago, Ivan Goriup said:

In motion during the Pebble 'Tour d'Elegance', prior to the Concours. The sound of the supercharged 8-0cylider in-line engine is enough of a treat to make your day.

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Isn't that the 1933 car posted earlier by Hektor (where has he gone?)  now in the Louwman Museum?

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10 hours ago, Ivan Goriup said:

This is by far the closest, so far- just needs a little bit of refining - but I recall from previous posts you don't like that style of playing the 'name this car' game, so the proper thing to do is to simply reveal it now.

It is a 1933 Alfa-Romeo 8C Touring Lemans.....and even though the green plaque accompanying the car says exactly that, the full & correct description of this particular car - one of 8 of this type produced in very similar but race-specific versions - should read: 8C 2300 Touring 2.6, since this is one of two long wheelbase endurance racing versions which won the 24 hour event 4 consecutive years.

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Not 2.6.  Driven by Louis Chiron, hence the blue.  DNF.

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Not 2.6.  Driven by Louis Chiron, hence the blue.  DNF.

Until you actually measure the engine size of a historic racer, you have no idea what actual size of engine it currently has. The FIA started to crack down on this behaviour a few years ago. In one example, together with Duncan Rabagliati who ran the Formula Junior Association, they were very suspicious of how fast some of the FIAT engined FJ cars had become. The absolute maximum power of the FIAT based 1100cc OSCA pushrod engine is 72 BHP. If you try for 73, the engine will have an extremely short and usually explosive life. However the OSCA, Volpini, Autosud and Stanguellini cars were overtaking some of the Ford engined cars e.g. Lola Mk.2 down the straight, which with the Ford 1100 Anglia based engine in wet sump form giving up to 100 BHP and up to 125 BHP in dry sump form in the mid engined FJ cars, should have been impossible. It was found that a number of the FIAT engined cars were running 1500 or 1600 cc engines, with steel cranks and Carillo rods. I have told folks before about how our suspiciously fast Aston Martin DBR2 was found to have had its 4 litre engine "improved" to 4.7L.  Our C Type Jaguar was found to have a 4.5L alloy block engine, painted to look like iron, rather than the original iron block 3.4L. We decided to have the C Type measured when on a testing day at Paul Ricard, the C Type was faster down the straights than our 3.8L D Type. This is out and out cheating. 

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Please don't think I'm attempting to monopolize this thread but we're having wretched weather, I've been spending time on the computer doing some housekeeping on my automotive images and just happened to have a freshly processed set of images of a car model that I once owned ( & loved dearly ) on hand, which I was going to e-mail to an old friend with whom I had been discussing this little jewel, and which I thought would be make a fine subject for this thread.

The usual information, if you please.

I don't think this will take long since almost every crop I could think of contains distinctive detailslues which should make identification fairly easy & straight forward.

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Ivan Goriup

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Viv & stuny - you are both correct - introduced in the late 1960's, produced until the mid 70's.

Philip alluding to the bonnet-bulge suggests recognizing one of the novel-for-the-time and highly distinctive design elements of this car, as well as the large, raked windshield, a signature feature on almost all the designs of the car's legendary designer.

I'd like to wait for more guesses before posting another clue.

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I hope you’ve got an interior shot showing the gearstick placement…

A very lovely Zagato bodied GT1300 Junior I think - maybe 1200 built?


Edit - might be the slightly longer 1600 version on the regular chassis but I can’t really tell from the crop.

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