Name this car....

[IkarusJohn]

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2 hours ago, stuny said:

That front is like the Chevy Nova, I wonder if the subject Holden is the same car.

My recollection is that the car was developed in Australia and only sold there and in NZ. Perhaps also in SE Asia. 

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[stuny]

I'll guess a Holden Monoco or Torana

[IkarusJohn]

Correct, Stuart.  Not a Monaro, but the poor man's version, an early 1970s second generation Holden Torana GTR.

The first version, from the mid 60s, was largely a rebadged British Vauxhall Viva.  It was then further developed with a straight 6, 3300cc engine.  A review I read of a later version commented that a slit in the dashboard must be for seasick pills for the way the car rolled.  The hotter version, the XU-1 was used for racing - the head boy at my school used to race one with his father.  It was Holden's biggest seller until the Commodore came along in the late 1970s.

I always thought they were rather horrible.  This one was clearly well loved.

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[luetz]

Opel Kadett..70 vintage

[stuny]

Thank you.  Let's try this one.  I don't know it's exact year of manufacture, but I do know the range:

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[Michael Geschlecht]

Hello Stuart,

With no support pillar between the front seat side window & the back seat side window, perhaps sometime in the 1950's or the 1960's.

Best Regards,

Michael

Edited May 15 by Michael Geschlecht

[Ivan Goriup]

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I'm certain Ralph Nader, if he were a member here, could identify this car immediately.

Too easy

JZG

[stuny]

9 hours ago, Michael Geschlecht said:

Hello Stuart,

With no support pillar between the front seat side window & the back seat side window, perhaps sometime in the 1950's or the 1960's.

Best Regards,

Michael

It is the '60s.

 

4 hours ago, Ivan Goriup said:

I'm certain Ralph Nader, if he were a member here, could identify this car immediately.

Too easy

JZG

Ivan - I thought it might be more difficult for people not from North America.  Why don't you go ahead with the identification - I look forward to seeing the cars in your photo collection.

[a.j.z]

Chevrolet Corvair?

[Ivan Goriup]

3 hours ago, a.j.z said:

Chevrolet Corvair?

That's exactly what I was going to say, hence the Nader reference, since it was his ravings and his 'hitpiece' book "Unsafe at any Speed" that doomed  the Corvair. The car posted looks like a '2nd gen' model ( 1960 - '68 I believe), with completely different side sculpturing than the more rounded & bulbous first issue Corvair.

Stuart, I'm glad Andreas identified it more accurately & directly than I did and I ask that he be awarded the right to post the next puzzle car since I am leaving tomorrow early for a much overdue vacation and I never bring a computer on such an outing.

JZG

Edited May 15 by Ivan Goriup

[stuny]

9 hours ago, Ivan Goriup said:

That's exactly what I was going to say, hence the Nader reference, since it was his ravings and his 'hitpiece' book "Unsafe at any Speed" that doomed  the Corvair. The car posted looks like a '2nd gen' model ( 1960 - '68 I believe), with completely different side sculpturing than the more rounded & bulbous first issue Corvair.

Stuart, I'm glad Andreas identified it more accurately & directly than I did and I ask that he be awarded the right to post the next puzzle car since I am leaving tomorrow early for a much overdue vacation and I never bring a computer on such an outing.

JZG

Ivan - Safe travels.

12 hours ago, a.j.z said:

Chevrolet Corvair?

Andreas - Yes, you won it.

To make a name for himself, Ralph Nader authored a book (Unsafe at any Speed), purporting that the Corvair's swing axel rear-end, nearly the same as on the VW Beetle, causes the outside rear wheel in a turn to nearly collapse, sending the car into violent oversteer.  He massaged actual data about Corvairs oversteering, much like 356 Porsches and earlier 911s, and went on from there.  The actual cause of oversteering with the car reflected two things:  The vast majority of US drivers were only used to understeering, and most US drivers kept equal tire pressure in all four times, even though the Corvair manual and door jamb tags specified about a 10-pound higher pressure in back.  This was the death knell for the Corvair, a remarkably good, small car that handled very well when the tires were properly set.  The fame allowed Nader to become a much-ballyhooed consumer advocate, and even a third-party presidential candidate.  Third party candidates in the US tend to siphon off enough votes that even though the candidate could never win, it could impact the outcome of elections.  this was the case in the G.W. Bush vs. A Gore election, swinging Florida (with the help of a Supreme Court decision) towards Bush, and due to our electoral process, a win for Bush.

I sometime miss my Corvair.  Mine was a 1960, first generation model.  This is the revised, better looking, even better handling Corvair Corsa, between 1965 and 1969.  there were four levels of engine tuning, vs. just three in Generation 1.  Additionally, John Fitch converted a few Corsas into Fitch Phoenix winning road racing cars.

 

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[a.j.z]

Thanks! Here is the next one:

 

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vor 10 Stunden schrieb stuny:

Andreas - Yes, you won it.

To make a name for himself, Ralph Nader authored a book (Unsafe at any Speed), purporting that the Corvair's swing axel rear-end, nearly the same as on the VW Beetle, causes the outside rear wheel in a turn to nearly collapse, sending the car into violent oversteer.  He massaged actual data about Corvairs oversteering, much like 356 Porsches and earlier 911s, and went on from there.  The actual cause of oversteering with the car reflected two things:  The vast majority of US drivers were only used to understeering, and most US drivers kept equal tire pressure in all four times, even though the Corvair manual and door jamb tags specified about a 10-pound higher pressure in back.  This was the death knell for the Corvair, a remarkably good, small car that handled very well when the tires were properly set.  The fame allowed Nader to become a much-ballyhooed consumer advocate, and even a third-party presidential candidate.  Third party candidates in the US tend to siphon off enough votes that even though the candidate could never win, it could impact the outcome of elections.  this was the case in the G.W. Bush vs. A Gore election, swinging Florida (with the help of a Supreme Court decision) towards Bush, and due to our electoral process, a win for Bush.

I sometime miss my Corvair.  Mine was a 1960, first generation model.  This is the revised, better looking, even better handling Corvair Corsa, between 1965 and 1969.  there were four levels of engine tuning, vs. just three in Generation 1.  Additionally, John Fitch converted a few Corsas into Fitch Phoenix winning road racing cars.

 

Interesting story but I only know Marcos Nader, an Austrian boxer.

[wlaidlaw]

11 hours ago, stuny said:

Ivan - Safe travels.

Andreas - Yes, you won it.

To make a name for himself, Ralph Nader authored a book (Unsafe at any Speed), purporting that the Corvair's swing axel rear-end, nearly the same as on the VW Beetle, causes the outside rear wheel in a turn to nearly collapse, sending the car into violent oversteer.  He massaged actual data about Corvairs oversteering, much like 356 Porsches and earlier 911s, and went on from there.  The actual cause of oversteering with the car reflected two things:  The vast majority of US drivers were only used to understeering, and most US drivers kept equal tire pressure in all four times, even though the Corvair manual and door jamb tags specified about a 10-pound higher pressure in back.  This was the death knell for the Corvair, a remarkably good, small car that handled very well when the tires were properly set.  The fame allowed Nader to become a much-ballyhooed consumer advocate, and even a third-party presidential candidate.  Third party candidates in the US tend to siphon off enough votes that even though the candidate could never win, it could impact the outcome of elections.  this was the case in the G.W. Bush vs. A Gore election, swinging Florida (with the help of a Supreme Court decision) towards Bush, and due to our electoral process, a win for Bush.

I sometime miss my Corvair.  Mine was a 1960, first generation model.  This is the revised, better looking, even better handling Corvair Corsa, between 1965 and 1969.  there were four levels of engine tuning, vs. just three in Generation 1.  Additionally, John Fitch converted a few Corsas into Fitch Phoenix winning road racing cars.

Stuart, 

The early 911's did not have swing axles but trailing link IRS. The problem with the early 911's was the very short wheelbase and the weight transfer that happened if you lifted off mid corner, causing extreme lift off oversteer. We had a 1967 911 RT ex-factory tarmac rally car with the titanium engine from the 910 and it was a nightmare to keep on the road and we very quickly let it become someone else's problem. The very lightly loaded front wheels did not exert enough leverage to control the resulting instant oversteer on lift off. The extended wheelbase and revised weight distribution in the post 1968 cars improved this but my 1972 Kremer 2.6L 911S still had pretty extreme lift off oversteer and you had to be very aware of this, particularly in the wet or on snow/ice. It was one of the last competition models that used the same size wheels and tyres front and rear (225/70 x R15). By the time the 3 litre RS with limited slip differential and wider rear than front wheels and tyres, came along in 1975, Porsche had pretty much got on top of it. My 1977 RSR had zero lift off oversteer and I really tested it to the limit when I got a stuck throttle entering a 90º left hand bend. I managed to hit the kill switch mid corner expecting to end up in the ditch, but it gave a tiny self correcting twitch and sailed through the corner as if nothing had happened. It did have a KAZZ "trick" LSD, providing 50% locking on the overrun (and 100% on drive). 

Wilson

 

 

 

[Michael Geschlecht]

Hello Everybody,

I had a friend who had a lite brown, I think 1963, Corvair convertible. The rounder 1. As a convertible, the rounder 1 is very nice.

Best Regards,

Michael

Edited May 17 by Michael Geschlecht

[stuny]

Whatever it is, it seems to have a very short wheelbase, and based on the hubcaps, not very expensive.  European?

[NigelG]

Swb, rear-hinged doors, vestigial running boards and those hubcaps are reminiscent of an early/mid-fifties Topolino 500C…but I’m not sure about those rubbing strips - thought they were chrome? - or the wheel arch shape (could be the angle)

Edited May 17 by NigelG

[a.j.z]

Yes, European but no Topolino. About twice the engine size. Early 50s is about right (it even could be earlier but I do not know the exact year).

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[a.j.z]

ANOTHER CROP

 

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[wlaidlaw]

Renault 4CV?  Just seen the new image and this is obviously incorrect.

 

Wilson

Edited May 17 by wlaidlaw