NigelG Posted October 18, 2023 Share #20761 Posted October 18, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) Still can’t believe that first crop was from that car… 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pippy Posted October 18, 2023 Share #20762 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, NigelG said: ...A car I would love to see “in the metal” with its siblings 😍 (Sold together as a single lot for only $14.8m in 2020) I couldn't agree more and am somewhat envious of whomever gets to see one of the trio in real life. Astonishing creations and hard to believe BAT 5 is now a Septuagenarian! Although $14.8m is quite a lot of money - and a bit more than I have in the bank at this moment - somehow I feel the buyer got them for a bargain price... Philip. Edited October 18, 2023 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20763 Posted October 19, 2023 In my reading of Nigel's and Philip's posts above ( # 20753 & # 20754 ) there are unmistakable hints that both knew which car this is, but did not state so exactly. The first to do so was Stuart so I believe he has earned the right to post thge next puzzle car. Yes, this is the first of the immortal Franco Staglione designed, Bertone executed Alfa-Romeo B.A.T. series of concept cars ( Berlinetta Aerodinamico Tecnica )series of cars, starting with the first, the 1953 BAT 5 which I chose present above. The occasion was the 2009 Concorso Italiano, since it's debut an important part of 'Monterey Car Week' and would have been a noteworthy event in its own right, even if the three BAT cars had not been shown, since Concorso was combined with the Ferrari Club of America's annual meeting, which they in turn chose to highlight with a gathering of almost 50 Ferrari F 40s to commemorate that models 25th anniversary. The Ferraris formed a semi-circle and there, in the center, were the three BATs. The trio had been part of a long term loan arrangement ( 2007 to 2015 )to the Blackhawk Automotive Museum in Danville, CA, a couple of miles from our home, where I was a volunteer docent on weekends I was lucky enough to actually spend at home, what with all the travel for my work. Leica M9-P / Summicron version IV JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877724'>More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20764 Posted October 19, 2023 A couple of additional detail images of BAT 5 - you can understand why I chose b&w for the second clue - the red would have been a sure-fire give-away. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877726'>More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20765 Posted October 19, 2023 ....and the ubiquitous three-quarter view. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877729'>More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20766 Posted October 19, 2023 If there are no objections to me using space and bandwidth to post images of 'non-puzzle cars' I'd like to take this opportunity to show the remainder of my shots of that days showing of the three B.A.T. models. The second of the series was the 1954 BAT 7, also constructed utilizing the Alfa-Romeo 1900 chassis, same as all three of the series.....more daring, more extreme and significantly more aerodynamic than BAT 5. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877732'>More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20767 Posted October 19, 2023 Advertisement (gone after registration) ....another frontal view. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877733'>More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20768 Posted October 19, 2023 a side view of this remarkable design. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877734'>More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20769 Posted October 19, 2023 A pair of additional detail images of B.A.T. 7 JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877735'>More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20770 Posted October 19, 2023 The inevitable rear view, this time it shows the defining characteristic of this car, the bat-wing like rear fins, which actually slowed the car down marginally, since the Cd is slightly higher than BAT 5. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877736'>More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20771 Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) The final issue of the original B.A.T. series of concept cars, the 1955 BAT 9. To my eyes the more restrained, production oriented and beautifully developed, mature design of this car tells me they had plans to actually produce a version of this car, since wind tunnel testing revealed that the Cd of BAT 9 was an unbelievable-for-the-time 0.19. Interesting to note that Franco Scaglione, Bertone's chief designer and almost single-handedly responsible for the BAT series project, graduated from University with a degree in aviation aerodynamics just prior to the beginning of WW II, worked as a women's fashion designer after the war and joined Bertone upon its founding in 1952. I believe he is one of the most important individuals of the post war Italian explosion of automotive development and design. If you take the time to study some of the above images ( I imagine many of you with interest in the subject have already done so in some depth ) will find a huge number of features and design of the various BAT models that were adopted, stolen, purloined and/or incorporated in a multitude of numerous other manufacturer's offerings. Bill MItchell, GM's legendary head of design openly admitted that he stood spell bound before all three of the BAT cars at their Turin Auto Show introductions in ;'53, '54 & '55 and sketched the split rear windows with firm plans in mind to incorporate that detail in a soon to be introduced GM product......it was the '63 Stingray Corvette it turns out. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 19, 2023 by Ivan Goriup 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877738'>More sharing options...
Ivan Goriup Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20772 Posted October 19, 2023 The final image of this post, the 3/4 rear view of BAT 9 Thanks for taking the time, JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4877739'>More sharing options...
ramarren Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20773 Posted October 19, 2023 Incredible photos of magical machines. Many thanks! G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indeepthought Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20774 Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, ramarren said: Incredible photos of magical machines. Many thanks! G +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20775 Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ivan Goriup said: If there are no objections to me using space and bandwidth to post images of 'non-puzzle cars' I'd like to take this opportunity to show the remainder of my shots of that days showing of the three B.A.T. models... I doubt anyone here would have any objections whatsoever, Ivan, and thank you for posting the others from the series. I suspected that the silver car in the background of the first 'puzzle' photo was another of the BAT cars and thought that to have seen two together would have been quite something. To see all three, of course, must have been like Birthday and Christmas coming together! One small question; are you sure the Ferrari Day part of the event was to celebrate the F40 and not the 288 GTO? I ask because most of the cars seen in the photographs are of the latter......and it just happens to be my favourite Ferrari of all time. I believe that during his time as a driver for the Scuderia Eddie Irvine had one as his personal transport. Lucky Bugger! Thanks again for the beautiful pictures! Philip. Edited October 19, 2023 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20776 Posted October 19, 2023 There is a good essay about the vehicles by RM Sotheby’s which I’ll post a link to. FYI the final model - actually correctly BAT 9d - was actually used as a road car! https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/so20/contemporary-art-evening-auction/lots/r579d-alfa-romeo-berlina-aerodinamica-tecnica-5-7-9d/999679 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20777 Posted October 19, 2023 Ivan's BAT post was really just a filler until Godfrey was able to post. Godfrey - I hope you're up to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lelmer Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20778 Posted October 19, 2023 8 hours ago, Ivan Goriup said: The final image of this post, the 3/4 rear view of BAT 9 Thanks for taking the time, JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Many thanks for having posted this splendid series 👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted October 19, 2023 Share #20779 Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, stuny said: Ivan's BAT post was really just a filler until Godfrey was able to post. Godfrey - I hope you're up to it. I'm not really capable of doing much until I have use of my right arm and hand again. Typing this entirely with my left hand, with the right arm bound up, takes me about 10 minutes. It's most frustrating. So ... move on and I'll jump in at the next opportunity. G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted October 20, 2023 Share #20780 Posted October 20, 2023 All the usuals. This should not be too difficult. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=4878628'>More sharing options...
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