wlaidlaw Posted December 28, 2017 Share #10561 Â Posted December 28, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) My dentist had one in the 1950's. My father used to say: "All the fillings in my childrens' teeth and the orthodontic work paid for that." Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted December 28, 2017 Share #10562 Â Posted December 28, 2017 After leaving the Air Force I worked for a bit at a medical center. Â We established a low-cost dental clinic. Â We based our pricing on market research with all dental specialties in the county. Â In the case of orthodonture I surmised that if you arrive in fancy clothes and an upmarket car you'll pay more, helping sending the local orthodontists' children to private school in Switzerland. Â I have no idea how widespread this "pricing" practice is/was, but it was rampant in that county in the mid to late 1970s Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted December 28, 2017 Share #10563  Posted December 28, 2017 Yes it's a Bristol 401 in good original condition and purchased from Tony Crook (before he died) relatively recently   Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!     Photographed at Peterborough Classic Car Show last September   Your turn John   Best wishes   dunk    Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!     Photographed at Peterborough Classic Car Show last September   Your turn John   Best wishes   dunk    ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3427135'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted December 28, 2017 Share #10564  Posted December 28, 2017 Thanks, Dunk  My  last mystery car of 2017 - marque and model, please.  JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3427437'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted December 29, 2017 Share #10565 Â Posted December 29, 2017 My first thought was Detroit iron, but on second thought it seems to be a limited production competition car. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 29, 2017 Share #10566  Posted December 29, 2017 The very squished look of the car has something of an Iso Grifo race car about it but the roof seems to have parted company with the body.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 29, 2017 Share #10567 Â Posted December 29, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not just the roof; all gaps appear to be wide open, door, bonnet,etc.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted December 29, 2017 Share #10568 Â Posted December 29, 2017 All very reasonable and observant guesses. I think I can tell you this much without risk of giving the answer away: pre-war ( 1936 vintage ), defintely European conceived, designed and manufactured, not created to be a pure race car, but most certainly intended with sporting use in mind, and actually a high-quality, handmade, extremely limited production vehicle, in other words, the gaps everywhere are not the result of sloppy panel fit, rather, are a result of one of the earliest attempts at 'aero' design. Â So that things don't get bogged down completely, I'll offer these additional clues: Â A. the color is the traditional racing color of the country of manufacture, Â B. the unorthodox body shape, construction methods & material choices are all from the airplane industry, the firm's original effort at building transportation devices. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 30, 2017 Share #10569 Â Posted December 30, 2017 (edited) A Voisin C28 Aerosport? Â Wilson Edited December 30, 2017 by wlaidlaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted December 30, 2017 Share #10570  Posted December 30, 2017 Spot on, Wilson, my clues were obviously sufficient to allow for a positive identification  -  most likely too much help to someone as knowledgable as yourself.............it is indeed a 1936 Avions Voisin C28 Aerosport.  Uncharacteristically, the firms records aren't the most reliable and accurate in regards to this model, reputed to be Gabriel Voisin's last design in which he took a deep personal interest. Based on his earlier, equally modern and revolutionary 1934/5 C25 Aerodyne sedan, the Aerosport was shortened, lightened via extensive use of aluminum, the 3.0 liter  in-line six-cylinder's engine performance was raised slightly, but all the luxury features of the sedan were retained, such a the arc-shaped roofline which permitted use of a rolling, well-sealed rigid sunroof, just like the doors of passenger airplanes of the day, instead of the accordion-folding canvas affair others used at the time.The doors, bonnet, etc. all followed aircraft design to  seal against weather and prevent wind noise. Between the C25 and the Aerosport Coupe, these were the first 'pontoon' fendered cars produced in Europe.  As best as automotive historians are able to deduce, only 10 of this model were constructed, with only 2 known to survive.  The car shown here, in French racing blue, photographed at the Peter Mullin Automotive Museum in Oxnard, CA, is the only completely original remaining Aerosport. Originally sold to a Parisian businessman, the car enjoyed a successful racing career in Europe from about '38 through the mid-fifties and was sold into the US in the '80s to a world-class collector in Marin County, who was good enough to loan it to the Mullin Museum to help flesh out its fabulous collection of French cars  when it opened around the end of the last century. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3428627'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted December 30, 2017 Share #10571  Posted December 30, 2017 ..............and a 3/4 front view of this remarkable automobile.  Thanks for participating, and a Happy New Year to all,  JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3428631'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted December 30, 2017 Share #10572  Posted December 30, 2017 I wonder how much the sister car, albeit with a re-created bodywork, fetched at the R-M Sotheby's sale at Monterey in 2016 (if it sold). I have to admit I find it, like most of the good Gabriel's creations, absolutely hideous. What possessed him to put that horrible step up line on the rear wing. It would be a bit like buying a Cunningham C3. I can just never imagine buying a car that is wilfully ugly (oops I just bought a Panamera ).  I will look out something tomorrow.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted December 31, 2017 Share #10573  Posted December 31, 2017 Ah, but the 2nd generation Panamera is far better looking than the 1st. Similarly the Ferrari FF vs the 2nd generation Lusso. Interestingly, the Audi TT in it's latest version seems significantly better looking than is earlier versions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 1, 2018 Share #10574  Posted January 1, 2018 Ah, but the 2nd generation Panamera is far better looking than the 1st. Similarly the Ferrari FF vs the 2nd generation Lusso. Interestingly, the Audi TT in it's latest version seems significantly better looking than is earlier versions.  The Sport Turismo, which I originally had on order is even better looking and improves what is still the worst point, the ugly back end. However the delivery date kept being postponed from the first estimate of the first week of January, with which I was quite happy to late April which was no use to me (? production problems in Leipzig, also delaying deliveries of the Mk2 Bentley Continental, which uses the same chassis). I therefore bought a cancelled order for the regular Mk.2 saloon, which also saved me with the discount, a significant amount of money.  Here is your next one. Apologies for the poor quality photo. It was taken out of the windscreen of a competition car with very stiff suspension on a less than billiard table smooth road just after it had overtaken us.  Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3429971'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted January 1, 2018 Share #10575 Â Posted January 1, 2018 That must be a belated Christmas present, since the image contains the one signature line that instantly and positively identifies this car,............. consequently, I'll disqualify myself. Â Stuart, this one's right down your alley. Â JZG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted January 2, 2018 Share #10576 Â Posted January 2, 2018 that character ;line ac ross the rear is definitely familiar to me, but I can't come up with it -- at least not yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 2, 2018 Share #10577  Posted January 2, 2018 that character ;line ac ross the rear is definitely familiar to me, but I can't come up with it -- at least not yet.  Look down the side of the car. The profile is unmistakable.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted January 2, 2018 Share #10578  Posted January 2, 2018 Birdcage  dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 2, 2018 Share #10579  Posted January 2, 2018 Dunk,  Correct. This is (supposedly) one of the various T61's raced by the Camoradi team on the Colorado Grand rally but as Maserati played fast and loose with chassis plates, who can be sure which car is which. It has the later "bob-tail`' Kamm type bodywork.They are all also like Grandfather's axe - two new heads and four new handles, given the fragility of the chassis, engine and gearbox. Below is the only photo I have of this one, taken from inside a DB4GT Zagato, as the T61 always seemed to be overtaking us and went into a storage trailer overnight, so I never got a decent photo of it. It broke down (inevitably) and disappeared half way through day 2 of a four day rally. This one was a 3 litre version by the sound. I think they are far nicer as a 2 litre, better balanced and much sweeter engine than the very agricultural and heavy 4 cylinder long stroke 3 litre. All Maserati racing gearboxes from around 1930 to the mid 1960's have been fragile (as opposed to Ferrari gearboxes which are heavy and clunky but robust). You have to change gears on the 3 litre car quite gently or you will break the gearbox, which was only designed for 2 litres. I also attach a photo of another T61, again a 3 litre car, at Spa in 2011, which shows the detail inside the car. The upside is that when they are working, they are a delight to drive. Much nicer than say a Testarossa or a DBR-1, with beautifully balanced and forgiving handling and excellent brakes. They were of course, outclassed by the mid-engined competition, the FPF Lotus 19, the Ferrari 206 Dino and Cooper Monaco but today they are often in a different class.  Your turn  Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=3430777'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted January 2, 2018 Share #10580  Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) Thank you Wilson.  Regarding 'chassis plates' here's an interesting Tipo 61 article: https://www.drivingline.com/articles/why-wont-this-maserati-tipo-61-birdcage-sell/  I'll post the next car shortly … it should be fairly easy to identify.  Happy New Year to everyone.  dunk Edited January 2, 2018 by dkCambridgeshire 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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