Name this car....

[John Z. Goriup]

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By sheer coincident, yesterday evening "The Godfather" was on TV and just as I switched to the channel to watch a few minutes of it, I saw the scene in which young Michael Corleone's Sicilian wife starts the black Alfa in their driveway and the thing explodes..........the car is (was ) the exact model above that we had such a difficult time trying to identify.

 

JZG

[wlaidlaw]

Oh yes, these little daily tasks in times you cannot get good craftsmen because they are all booked out for weeks and don´t come for "little" jobs. I´d prefer working on an old boat or car instead ;-)

 

Exactly!

[wlaidlaw]

By sheer coincident, yesterday evening "The Godfather" was on TV and just as I switched to the channel to watch a few minutes of it, I saw the scene in which young Michael Corleone's Sicilian wife starts the black Alfa in their driveway and the thing explodes..........the car is (was ) the exact model above that we had such a difficult time trying to identify.

 

JZG

 

I hope they did not blow up an original but knowing film folk, they probably did. 

 

Wilson

[Rona!d]

I hope they did not blow up an original but knowing film folk, they probably did. 

 

Wilson

 

 

Somewhere I saw a note that it wasn´t an original but I checked that scene on youtube now and think it was one. Maybe a chrashed car, who knows. Guess in 1972 they were only keen on the race cars and convertibles of the 6C.

[wlaidlaw]

This is one I used my Leica copying rig to copy from an old book I bought in a second hand shop in Auch. Since it is quite difficult, I will show the whole car other than its race number which I have blanked to stymie the Google cheats   To give you a double clue, it had one feature slightly unusual for cars of this period but common nowadays and its name is related to this feature. So, Make, model, the race its team is competing in and for extra brownie points, the position this car achieved in the the race. 

 

Wilson

 

 

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[dkCambridgeshire]

Alfa Romeo 6C 1750cc … 6 cylinder, supercharged … competing in a road race c.1933 (Ulster TT? Le Mans?)  … car No 21 ?   Mobil Oil advert top RHS … If 1933 Le Mans , driven by Andre Rousseau and Francois Paco and placed 8th 

 

dunk 

Edited May 17, 2017 by dkCambridgeshire

[wlaidlaw]

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Dunk, 

 

I am afraid, wrong country, wrong make Le Mans is correct but wrong year. I can see why you thought A-R, as the body has overtones of the Zagato body on the 1935 8C2600 cars. The Le Mans regulations must have changed from year to year, sometimes being 4 seats obligatory sometimes not. 

 

Wilson

[dkCambridgeshire]

Le Mans 1929 TRACTA , front wheel drive, supercharged S.C.A.P. 995cc engine , 4 speed g/box with o/drive; driven by Jean Albert Gregoire & Fernand Vallon; placed 1st in category & 8th overall. The car No. just visible on the rear which begins with 2 is the clue as are two chaps wearing berets. I thought it was No. 21 but that led to Aston Martin and other makes / years which incorrect; No 27 is the actual number. 

 

dunk 

Edited May 17, 2017 by dkCambridgeshire

[wlaidlaw]

Le Mans 1929 TRACTA , front wheel drive, supercharged S.C.A.P. 995cc engine , 4 speed g/box with o/drive; driven by Jean Albert Gregoire & Fernand Vallon; placed 1st in category & 8th overall. The car No. just visible on the rear which begins with 2 is the clue as are two chaps wearing berets. I thought it was No. 21 but that led to Aston Martin and other makes / years which incorrect; No 27 is the actual number. 

 

dunk 

 

Correct Dunk, although my old French book says that car No.27 was an 1100 model with a supercharged OHV SCAP engine and finished 10th overall but first in class. The clue was that it was front wheel drive, hence the name of Tracta (Traction Avant). It was actually designed by its driver, J A Gregoire, who went on to produce cars under his own name and then together with Hotchkiss right up to 1955. Unlike other front/four wheel drive cars of the time and later (Citroen, Land Rover, Cord) which used Cardano-Hooke type universal joints, with the problems of non-linear speed, with attendant vibrations, when working at an angle, Gregoire had designed the first effective constant velocity joint in early 1926 virtually simultaneously with Rzeppa (1927), whose simpler to mass-produce design, eventually won the day. 

 

Your turn

 

Wilson

[dkCambridgeshire]

Thanks Wilson; we learn a lot about vintage cars and motor engineering via this thread. I'll post the next puzzle later today.

 

dunk 

[Michael Hiles]

Thanks Wilson; we learn a lot about vintage cars and motor engineering via this thread...

 

We certainly do. Long may it continue, and thanks to all who add to my knowledge and interest.

[dkCambridgeshire]

Here's the next puzzle . Please name actual make and model as marketed / sold in UK and where manufactured.

 

 

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Good luck

 

dunk

[wlaidlaw]

Too big a crop. A VX220. 

[dkCambridgeshire]

Correct Wilson … Vauxhall VX 220 Turbo … manufactured by Lotus and based on the Elise.  Also known as the Opel Speedster (Germany) and Daewoo Speedster (Asia) 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Speedster

 

 

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Photographed at the recent Stilton Cheese Classic Car Run, Stilton near Peterborough 

 

 

Your turn again 

 

 

dunk 

Edited May 18, 2017 by dkCambridgeshire

[wlaidlaw]

Again I am going to show the whole car but with the logo and grille badge removed. You will either know this one immediately or you will struggle. I think only 2 or 3 remain in existence. 

 

 

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[stuny]

It makes me think of a Maser Sebring or 3500, but more likely a Fiat.  The quaintly of the top suggest Pininfarina or Karmen.

[wlaidlaw]

Wrong country, wrong coach-builders. 

[maximilianm3]

I don't know the car but it looks like a Ghia

[Rona!d]

I have seen this model long ago but without checking my archive I can only guess.

 

It looks like Beutler, Aigle Ghia or Frua. Car seems to be fairly small, maybe around 1.2 to 1.4 ltr. Small drum brakes?

The air intake in the bonnet and huge grille could be fake, so maybe there is a VW or Porsche 356 inside and working at the rear end (although the "modern looking" Beutler 356 Coupe was only made one time as a convertible).

 

If I´m wrong and it is a watercooled car it could be a Fiat kind of thing or even french (Simca?). The Bristol 406 Coupe prototype from Beutler looked similar too.

 

None of them hit the nail, but maybe are giving a direction for further reasearch?

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Look here: Interesting Leica gear

[Rona!d]

Wait, wait, now I know. My french idea wasn´t bad.

 

It should be the Grégoire Sport (around 1956). Front wheel drive (!), 2.2 ltr. engine, compressor, 125 h.p. (Hotchkiss?) and no, it´s not small. Coachbuilder was Chapron. This example is part of the Schlumpf collection in Mulhouse.