wlaidlaw Posted April 1, 2014 Share #6221 Posted April 1, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not UK Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 1, 2014 Posted April 1, 2014 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Name this car..... I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
John Z. Goriup Posted April 2, 2014 Share #6222 Posted April 2, 2014 (edited) Using my best Sherlock Holmesian powers of deduction, I see a cast bronze filler cap, a characteristic wood-rimmed, 4-spoke steering wheel, it was obviously photographed in a setting with green patinated gas-light posts, which to me can only indicate the "Schlumpf Collection" in France, an automtive museum which contains the greatest concentration of Bugattis on earth. Putting it all together, and given the stark simplicity of this little car, I will take a risky guess and say that we're looking at an Ettore Bugatti designed Type 19 BEBE of about 1912-1915. Not a Bugatti made car - yet - since he designed it for the German Wanderer brand ( who represent one of the four circles of the AUDI marque ), but it was Peugot who actually wound up producing them. I know the the British Racing Green color does not support this conclusion, but, it was a very popular little car that was sold widely in Europe in its day. How far off am I ? JZG Edited April 2, 2014 by John Z. Goriup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share #6223 Posted April 2, 2014 Near enough or correct depending who you believe. Bugatti “experts” will bore the pants off anyone in less than 5 minutes about whether this was designated a type 16 or 19. Hugh Conway, who was close friend of Ettore, was sure it was a type 19, whereas my old friend Peter Hampton, whose Bébé I drove, was sure it was a type 16. Bugatti themselves say type 16. Now these cars may have been designed for Wanderer but the majority if not all of the 3000 odd built, were made in Molsheim. The first Wanderer is generally held to be the Puppchen W1 of 1912, which had a considerably larger engine than the Bébé (maybe 1200cc). This must be the slowest car I have ever driven, which is just as well as the chassis feels like it is made of chewing gum and like all period Bugattis I have driven other than the 57SC, the brakes were dreadful. I have posted this before but the Cité de l’Automobile is a disgrace. It has been starved of funds for years and the cars are deteriorating significantly. They have huge stocks of cars not on display, hidden away in various warehouses round Molsheim, which are in a worse state than those on display. Various people, me included, have tried to persuade them to sell some of the multiple duplicates they have stored away, in order to fund the proper restoration and upkeep of this very important collection. They tell you that it is not permitted by some French law but can’t actually quote which law it is. Volkswagen/Bugatti have tried to get involved as well but without success the last time I talked to them. My personal view is that the civil servants running this place don’t want anything to do with commerce and are happy just to sit on their pile of mouldering cars, polishing them but doing little else. The cars were in a far better state when the Schlumpf Brothers owned it. The whole thing was very far from the secret that the French Government tried to make out, as the cars were seen all the time out and about around Molsheim and were lent out free of charge for weddings etc. Over to you Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2560944'>More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted April 2, 2014 Share #6224 Posted April 2, 2014 (edited) As a relative newcomer to participating on the Leica forum, I finally took the time to dig into this thread a little more thoroughly and noticed that it's in its fourth year and has accumulated 300 + pages………. therefore, I hope I'm not duplicating something that's already been shown, solved, discussed and dismissed as too obvious & basic with my next post. As interesting as this thread is to me, I simply haven't had the time to look at it all. JZG Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 2, 2014 by John Z. Goriup Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2561287'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 2, 2014 Share #6225 Posted April 2, 2014 John, If it what I think it might be it was on the site some time ago. The Blitzen Benz? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Z. Goriup Posted April 2, 2014 Share #6226 Posted April 2, 2014 Wilson, of course, you are correct. Your turn, and I know you'll make it a bit more difficult. JZG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 3, 2014 Share #6227 Posted April 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have pretty much run out of car photos until the end of the month, when I am doing the Scottish Malts Rally. May I therefore pass the baton on to anyone else who would like to post. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted April 3, 2014 Share #6228 Posted April 3, 2014 Okay. Let's try this one: [ATTACH] 429789 [/ATTACH] Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2562057'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted April 4, 2014 Share #6229 Posted April 4, 2014 No guesses? Perhaps later today I'll give a hint or a bigger crop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 4, 2014 Share #6230 Posted April 4, 2014 It looks like an MG TD or TF but with a changed windscreen base support. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted April 4, 2014 Share #6231 Posted April 4, 2014 (edited) Very good, a TD, with more modifications than you picked up --Of course that was the only one visible in that crop. Here's the full shot during some parade. At the very least the red piping, the chrome edging, the dog and the wheels are also modifications. Your turn Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited April 4, 2014 by stuny Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2562603'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 4, 2014 Share #6232 Posted April 4, 2014 Given the TD's 54 BHP, the 72 spoke wheels might be a bit OTT. They have a slightly unfair reputation as a "hairdressers'" car, when they are actually rather nice to drive. They also had a successful competition history, especially in the USA, when they were not up against the lightweight Ford 10 specials. I would have one anyday rather than an MGB. I am not at home at the moment, so anyone else is free to post. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted April 5, 2014 Share #6233 Posted April 5, 2014 The TC and TD started the sports car interest in the US, and I co-owned a '52 TD for two years. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berth Posted April 6, 2014 Share #6234 Posted April 6, 2014 The TC and TD started the sports car interest in the US, and I co-owned a '52 TD for two years. I believe every TD 'owner' shared ownership... with their mechanic. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 6, 2014 Share #6235 Posted April 6, 2014 I believe every TD 'owner' shared ownership... with their mechanic. That was mostly down to "Lucas - The Prince of Darkness" Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted April 9, 2014 Share #6236 Posted April 9, 2014 Well, while awaiting wilson's return home, try this one: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2565221'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted April 9, 2014 Share #6237 Posted April 9, 2014 Duryea electric? Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted April 9, 2014 Share #6238 Posted April 9, 2014 As a wild guess, could this be a Baker Electric? Whatever, it looks like it has had a motor overhaul in recent times. (Or a prototype Tesla...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted April 9, 2014 Share #6239 Posted April 9, 2014 Michael - You definitely got the drivetrain components correct (electric) and the era, but you're not there yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hiles Posted April 10, 2014 Share #6240 Posted April 10, 2014 Ok - how 'bout a 1904 Columbia? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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