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Yes, it is the 1512, not 158 of course, too many cylinders. Just had time to delve deeper in my books. Rodriguez was actually driving an old 156 #18, Surtees the 158 #7, and Bandini 1512 #8. There is another ugly red intake on the other side of the nose as well. All had similar overall styles of bodywork so there is a lot of confusion, especially in blurry photographs, although the ugly nose of the 1512 is particularly distinctive.

 

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Yes, it is the 1512, not 158 of course, not enough cylinders. Just had time to delve deeper in my books. Rodriguez was actually driving and old 156 #18, Surtees the 158 #7, and Bandini 1512 #8. There is another ugly red intake on the other side of the nose as well.

 

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Steve,

 

I think we should award ourselves the anoraks' horn rimmed spectacles medal with sellotaped legs bar for this level of Ferrari knowledge :):)

 

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If you want to get really anorak there is something about the flat 12 that goes way back another 20 years.

 

The 1512 flat 12 fitted into the same chassis as the 158 (V8) and was so small it could use all the same suspension. It's designer Forghieri apparently based it on the 1948 Ferrari supercharged 1.5 litre V12, (I'm assuming heads etc., clearly not the block), and that in itself was based on the key design features of the still-born rear engine Alfa Romeo 512 flat 12 of 1940. So the design elements went full circle, Flat 12, V12, Flat 12. The flat 12 concept was laying dormant in Ferrari's DNA long before the 312 series that had so much success, as well of course as the return to flat 12 engines in the successful Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 sports cars. It must be an Italian thing.

 

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it was Bandini at the Mexican GP that year. Enzo was pissed at the FIA and "withdrew" his team, so for two races that year the F1 Ferrari raced in NART colors. In Mexico, as I recall, Bandini "nudged" Graham Hill enabling Surtees to claim the title. Well done! I'll post the rest of the image (a cracker) on Tuesday. Meanwhile, to the victor!

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If you want to get really anorak there is something about the flat 12 that goes way back another 20 years.

 

The 1512 flat 12 fitted into the same chassis as the 158 (V8) and was so small it could use all the same suspension. It's designer Forghieri apparently based it on the 1948 Ferrari supercharged 1.5 litre V12, (I'm assuming heads etc., clearly not the block), and that in itself was based on the key design features of the still-born rear engine Alfa Romeo 512 flat 12 of 1940. So the design elements went full circle, Flat 12, V12, Flat 12. The flat 12 concept was laying dormant in Ferrari's DNA long before the 312 series that had so much success, as well of course as the return to flat 12 engines in the successful Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 sports cars. It must be an Italian thing.

 

Steve

 

Steve,

 

My Ferrari engine book led me far astray in claiming the Type 207 engine was a V12 not a flat 12. I should have gone to the appendix for full details, where it said: "Type: V12, Angle between cylinder banks: 180º! Maybe it lost something in the translation from Italian. I certainly don't think of the engines in my Porsches as 180º V6's.

 

My views on the 312 engine are rather coloured by having worked on them over the last few years. I think they are horrible engines, which were obviously not designed with the POV of anyone having to wield a spanner on them. :)

 

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Here is Bandini in the Mexican GP Ferrari as promised. The image was given to me, so I don't know who took it. I was told that the photog was a Leica user.

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Just for a little bit of fun. I know what this car was for but I don't know what it actually was. Obviously not taken with a Leica - sorry!

 

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Stuart is by far the closest so far. If nobody has got it by tomorrow morning, I think I will have to tell you. Sadly I don't have a better photograph of the car.

 

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I think we must not be imaginative enough. Perhaps a hint or a revelation?

 

Stuart,

 

I think I will need to tell you all. It is a Electrolux Vacuum Cleaner publicity car. I understand it was made by Oscar Mayer in Vienna in the 1920's. I don't know what chassis he used. Probably anything of about the right size, he could pick up cheap. The company carried on right up to the 1970s making things like sausage shaped cars, called Wienermobiles. I am sorry I don't have a better shot of that Electrolux car but here is a small picture I found of a different Electrolux car also made by Mayer and one of his later Wienermobiles.

 

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Here's another wienermobile shot

 

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