250swb Posted June 16, 2013 Share #5021 Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, it is the 1512, not 158 of course, too many cylinders. Just had time to delve deeper in my books. Rodriguez was actually driving an old 156 #18, Surtees the 158 #7, and Bandini 1512 #8. There is another ugly red intake on the other side of the nose as well. All had similar overall styles of bodywork so there is a lot of confusion, especially in blurry photographs, although the ugly nose of the 1512 is particularly distinctive. Steve Edited June 16, 2013 by 250swb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted June 16, 2013 Share #5022 Posted June 16, 2013 Yes, it is the 1512, not 158 of course, not enough cylinders. Just had time to delve deeper in my books. Rodriguez was actually driving and old 156 #18, Surtees the 158 #7, and Bandini 1512 #8. There is another ugly red intake on the other side of the nose as well. Steve Steve, I think we should award ourselves the anoraks' horn rimmed spectacles medal with sellotaped legs bar for this level of Ferrari knowledge :) Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 16, 2013 Share #5023 Posted June 16, 2013 (edited) If you want to get really anorak there is something about the flat 12 that goes way back another 20 years. The 1512 flat 12 fitted into the same chassis as the 158 (V8) and was so small it could use all the same suspension. It's designer Forghieri apparently based it on the 1948 Ferrari supercharged 1.5 litre V12, (I'm assuming heads etc., clearly not the block), and that in itself was based on the key design features of the still-born rear engine Alfa Romeo 512 flat 12 of 1940. So the design elements went full circle, Flat 12, V12, Flat 12. The flat 12 concept was laying dormant in Ferrari's DNA long before the 312 series that had so much success, as well of course as the return to flat 12 engines in the successful Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 sports cars. It must be an Italian thing. Steve Edited June 16, 2013 by 250swb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steed Posted June 16, 2013 Share #5024 Posted June 16, 2013 it was Bandini at the Mexican GP that year. Enzo was pissed at the FIA and "withdrew" his team, so for two races that year the F1 Ferrari raced in NART colors. In Mexico, as I recall, Bandini "nudged" Graham Hill enabling Surtees to claim the title. Well done! I'll post the rest of the image (a cracker) on Tuesday. Meanwhile, to the victor! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 17, 2013 Share #5025 Posted June 17, 2013 If you want to get really anorak there is something about the flat 12 that goes way back another 20 years. The 1512 flat 12 fitted into the same chassis as the 158 (V8) and was so small it could use all the same suspension. It's designer Forghieri apparently based it on the 1948 Ferrari supercharged 1.5 litre V12, (I'm assuming heads etc., clearly not the block), and that in itself was based on the key design features of the still-born rear engine Alfa Romeo 512 flat 12 of 1940. So the design elements went full circle, Flat 12, V12, Flat 12. The flat 12 concept was laying dormant in Ferrari's DNA long before the 312 series that had so much success, as well of course as the return to flat 12 engines in the successful Alfa Romeo Tipo 33 sports cars. It must be an Italian thing. Steve Steve, My Ferrari engine book led me far astray in claiming the Type 207 engine was a V12 not a flat 12. I should have gone to the appendix for full details, where it said: "Type: V12, Angle between cylinder banks: 180º! Maybe it lost something in the translation from Italian. I certainly don't think of the engines in my Porsches as 180º V6's. My views on the 312 engine are rather coloured by having worked on them over the last few years. I think they are horrible engines, which were obviously not designed with the POV of anyone having to wield a spanner on them. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steed Posted June 18, 2013 Share #5026 Posted June 18, 2013 Here is Bandini in the Mexican GP Ferrari as promised. The image was given to me, so I don't know who took it. I was told that the photog was a Leica user. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2352763'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2013 Share #5027 Posted June 19, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just for a little bit of fun. I know what this car was for but I don't know what it actually was. Obviously not taken with a Leica - sorry! Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2353088'>More sharing options...
steed Posted June 19, 2013 Share #5028 Posted June 19, 2013 radial aircraft engine? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2013 Share #5029 Posted June 19, 2013 More suck than blow :) Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted June 19, 2013 Share #5030 Posted June 19, 2013 That suggests that the butt is a vacuum container used to somehow drive the drive wheel(s). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 19, 2013 Share #5031 Posted June 19, 2013 That suggests that the butt is a vacuum container used to somehow drive the drive wheel(s). Warm Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted June 20, 2013 Share #5032 Posted June 20, 2013 A tracker cleaner for the Indy 500? Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 20, 2013 Share #5033 Posted June 20, 2013 A tracker cleaner for the Indy 500? Steve Thinking somewhat along the right lines but not as functional as that. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steed Posted June 20, 2013 Share #5034 Posted June 20, 2013 a "snake" to clean sewers/pipes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 20, 2013 Share #5035 Posted June 20, 2013 Made in Vienna for a Swedish company. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 20, 2013 Share #5036 Posted June 20, 2013 Snow blower? dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 21, 2013 Share #5037 Posted June 21, 2013 Stuart is by far the closest so far. If nobody has got it by tomorrow morning, I think I will have to tell you. Sadly I don't have a better photograph of the car. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuny Posted June 24, 2013 Share #5038 Posted June 24, 2013 I think we must not be imaginative enough. Perhaps a hint or a revelation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted June 24, 2013 Share #5039 Posted June 24, 2013 I think we must not be imaginative enough. Perhaps a hint or a revelation? Stuart, I think I will need to tell you all. It is a Electrolux Vacuum Cleaner publicity car. I understand it was made by Oscar Mayer in Vienna in the 1920's. I don't know what chassis he used. Probably anything of about the right size, he could pick up cheap. The company carried on right up to the 1970s making things like sausage shaped cars, called Wienermobiles. I am sorry I don't have a better shot of that Electrolux car but here is a small picture I found of a different Electrolux car also made by Mayer and one of his later Wienermobiles. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2357235'>More sharing options...
stuny Posted June 24, 2013 Share #5040 Posted June 24, 2013 Here's another wienermobile shot Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/119687-name-this-car/?do=findComment&comment=2357624'>More sharing options...
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