Name this car....

[Rona!d]

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Originally it may have looked like on this blueprint.

[wlaidlaw]

Originally it may have looked like on this blueprint.

 

Ronald,

 

That is very obviously of the next generation of bodywork looking forward, whereas the 8C2600 Le Mans Corsa, was even for 1935, a somewhat old fashioned looking car.

 

Wilson

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[250swb]

The original bodywork is of the type pictured here

 

European Concours 2003, History of Alfa-Romeo, pre 1970

 

scroll down to the fifth image.

 

And here is chassis 412004, the car in question, rebodied as a cabrio by Pinin Farina.

 

Steve

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[stuny]

Steve -

 

Thank you. That will be helpful to me in correcting labels on the Alfas in this gallery of our site: Barbara & Stu's Excellent Vacations

[SJP]

Seeing all of this makes me want to get my Alfa Romeo book out again. The pre-war designs were really special IMHO, something that underlines the Italian flair for style and engineering.

 

Also, still now the AR engineering is remarkable.

[Rona!d]

Steve, that cabrio I found in my archive, but the original 193 6 Mille car not, interesting.

Wilson, your brothers car does look very nice! He still has it? Saw it somewhere in France, Italy or Switzerland, I think.

[wlaidlaw]

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Steve, that cabrio I found in my archive, but the original 193 6 Mille car not, interesting.

Wilson, your brothers car does look very nice! He still has it? Saw it somewhere in France, Italy or Switzerland, I think.

 

Ronald,

 

He still has the de Mola 6C2500B Alfa. He has had it a long time. There is a fake copy of it around as well. It spends most of its life around the south of France. It is very much of a gentle touring car, so it does not get used for rallies. The 8C2600 still gets raced and rallied a fair bit.

 

Wilson

[250swb]

Steve, that cabrio I found in my archive, but the original 193 6 Mille car not, interesting.

Wilson, your brothers car does look very nice! He still has it? Saw it somewhere in France, Italy or Switzerland, I think.

 

There is a picture of the winning car in Michael Frostick,s book 'Alfa Romeo - Milano' photo number 283, but it is mis-captioned. This is the book most Alfa fans would have. There are other photo's of the 1936 team cars in both Simon Moore's 'The Immortal 2900' and of course in the Fusi/Ferrari/ Borgeson book 'Le Alfa Romeo di Vittorio Jano'.

 

Steve

[250swb]

Here is the photo from the Frostick book of the 1936 winning 2900 but captioned as the 1937 winner.

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[wlaidlaw]

I gather rather like early racing Ferrari's, Alfa chassis plates were not too firmly attached to cars, so trying to identify years later, which cars actually won what, is problematical. Given that EF was involved in both enterprises, this should come as no surprise. Even as late as the 1960's, there are two 250LM's around with the same chassis number.

 

Wilson

[250swb]

Yes, in fact for the car we are talking about 412004 is the second time that chassis number had been used, after the first one to use it had been re numbered 412006! This was period re numbering though, to maintain the chassis number sequence after the original was re bodied 'in factory', so getting a new number of 412006. 'Our' car was re bodied later when in private ownership so the chassis number stuck.

 

Steve

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[wlaidlaw]

In the 1970's and 80's, when the value of old racing cars started to rocket and it was possible to build one from scratch, for very considerably less that the potential sale price, a group of workshops in the Modena area specialised in "Mitosis". This was the amoeba like reproduction process, where an old racing car in need of major restoration would go in through the front door of the workshop and a few months later, two identical copies would come out of the back. Underpaid factory workers were not averse for a modest fee, to arranging the loan of the original chassis jigs, drawings, casting patterns, core boxes, etc etc. Even an unused chassis plate was not too difficult to obtain. It was not really until Classice came along that things tightened up.

 

There was another workshop in the USA, which was turning out "original" Bugatti chassis, complete with numbered chassis plates, claiming they were unused stock bought from Molsheim just after the war. At one time they had 10 Type 54/55 chassis and 3 type 59's.

 

Wilson

[gmo]

Sorry for being late but I didn't have access to my computer with the pictures these last days. But I see that a very interesting conversation has been going on. Always happy to learn about cars and Alfa's specifically.

 

So here we go:

 

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Gerd

[Rona!d]

This could well be a Wanderer Cabrio, maybe W26 type.

[gmo]

Not a Wanderer Cabrio

 

Gerd

[wlaidlaw]

I was thinking of a Ford Model A hot rod. However as it has Bosch headlights, it would have to be a German built one.

 

Wilson

[Rona!d]

Not a Wanderer Cabrio

 

Gerd

 

Then Horch or Audi?

 

p.s. If not their "little sister" DKW

Edited April 5, 2013 by Rona|d

[gmo]

Not a German car

[wlaidlaw]

Peugeot 601 Eclipse Cabriolet - maybe a Pourtout bodied one.

 

Wilson

Edited April 5, 2013 by wlaidlaw

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[Rona!d]

Those Bosch lamps fooled me, so I thought of an Auto-Union family member or an Austrian car. The radiator grille looked somehow french, but is it really?