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You got it Wilson. Your turn.

 

This one, #2 of ten built, is in the Simeone Foundation Museum of competition cars in Philadelphia.

 

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Stuart,

 

It is a lovely car but the person who used those horrible rubber panel straps on the back should be shot. At the very least they should have used bonnet pins with "R" clips but preferably two button flush aircraft panel latches, like the one shown below.

 

Now the next car: I suspect I may be showing you too much of this rare but lovely car. Excuse the less than great image.

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1963 ATS 2500GT (chassis no.3?)

 

 

Ken.

 

Correct Ken - your turn. I understand that they are best admired when static. Due to lack of funds and time, they were desperately underdeveloped and make a Lotus look reliable. Here is the whole car. It must be one of the prettiest of the cars of its era, in an era that produced loads of pretty cars (250 GT/GTO, E-Type, DG4GT Zagato, Maserati Mistrale etc)

 

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Thanks, Wilson.

 

Here's the next one. Apologies for the dreadful resolution.

 

 

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Not within the hearing of Sig. Enzo! This was designed by the breakaway group who left after a monumental row in 1961. The group included Giancarlo Baghetti, Carlo Chiti, Giotto Bizzarrini and Franco Scaglione. The money came from Count Volpi but nowhere near enough. The whole thing ended in tears and ill feeling all round.

 

Their F1 car apparently gives the LIFE 190 and Simtek cars a serious run for their money as close to the worst ever GP cars. The worst ever of course, being Count Trossi's 16 cylinder two stroke Radial engined 750kg car of 1935. I suspect the 16 cylinders is a myth as it only seems to have 8 spark plugs!

 

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...Count Trossi's 16 cylinder two stroke Radial engined 750kg car of 1935. I suspect the 16 cylinders is a myth as it only seems to have 8 spark plugs!

 

Wilson

 

No worries... 8 cylinders gasoline and 8 cylinders diesel.

As Colin Crapman would have said: Read The Rules boys, now let's get out there and exploit them.! :rolleyes:

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No worries... 8 cylinders gasoline and 8 cylinders diesel.

As Colin Crapman would have said: Read The Rules boys, now let's get out there and exploit them.! :rolleyes:

 

Pete,

 

I wondered if the other 8 cylinders were supercharging cylinders like the old NSU racing motorbikes used to have.

 

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Erratum: I think I meant DKW two stroke motorcycles not NSU. These had five cylinders, two sets of split single cylinders, dual twingles, and a fifth supercharging or compressing cylinder, running off a separate crankshaft, called the ladepump. I heard one of these running at the Isle of Man historic TT some years ago and what a wonderful noise they make, totally unlike the jingle pop of a modern 2 stroke.

 

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Thanks, Wilson.

 

Here's the next one. Apologies for the dreadful resolution.

 

 

Ken.

 

No interest in this one, then?

 

It was a Renault Estafette.

 

 

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Ken,

 

It's name this car - not name that van :)

 

Wilson

 

You are, of course, quite right, Wilson, although I was probably stretching a bit too far the interpretation of car to include MPV.

 

My clumsy and badly mis-judged attempt at adding a bit of variety to the thread. Apologies all round.

 

Whoever wants to fire the next one in, please be my guest.

 

 

Ken.

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Ken -

 

It appears to be a Renault van but I do not know the model number (such as "4" in that era).

 

 

Stuart, I am by no means an expert on these things, but as far as I can make out, this was the R21 36/37 version produced from 1968 through to about 1980.

 

 

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