bill Posted January 28, 2010 Share #81 Posted January 28, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) You have cameras that work, and that you can go out and use right now, without let or hindrance... It's called being satisfied with what you have. It's the opposite of shit-stirring and rumour-mongering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 28, 2010 Posted January 28, 2010 Hi bill, Take a look here M9 production closing for 2 weeks. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted January 28, 2010 Share #82 Posted January 28, 2010 Nobody is stopping you from posting as you see it, but it would be nice if you could refrain from broad sweeping statement in Calimero "the sky is falling "style. It is just a lenshood and a battery, you know. Also it would be a good thing if you could stop yourself trying to run Leica without any of the basic information you would have insisted on in your CEO days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSplash Posted January 28, 2010 Share #83 Posted January 28, 2010 Nobody is stopping you from posting as you see it, but it would be nice if you could refrain from broad sweeping statement in Calimero "the sky is falling "style. It is just a lenshood and a battery, you know. Also it would be a good thing if you could stop yourself trying to run Leica without any of the basic information you would have insisted on in your CEO days. I am NOT trying to run Leica. I am commenting on the realities as seen by me a client: I have factually identified what my dealer says, I have factually identified my own experience. I have NOT made broad sweeping statements, such as M9 shipments maybe delayed due to a lack of batteries (suggested elsewhere) Your last email suggested that I should present a lack of Leica M8/M9 batteries currently, and a 4 month wait for a lenshood, and filter together with dealers having no visibility about shipments etc as POSITIVE. Jaapv I give up....you win, you are right it is after all just a lenshood and a battery I shall continue to wait patiently! The camera works well with one battery anyway, and I agree it is wrong to expect a high level of service for cheap kit!. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill Posted January 28, 2010 Share #84 Posted January 28, 2010 Your last email suggested that I should present a lack of Leica M8/M9 batteries currently, and a 4 month wait for a lenshood, and filter together with dealers having no visibility about shipments etc as POSITIVE. No it didn't. Clearly while you may be a battery short of a full charge, you do not lack the ability to heavily filter all that you "see". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 28, 2010 Share #85 Posted January 28, 2010 Not that I sent any e-mails... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotmaesron Posted January 28, 2010 Share #86 Posted January 28, 2010 did a bit of googling: Dr. Andreas Kaufmann Chairman of the Board, Leica October 12 & 13, 2007 Ft. St. Andrews Fort Fredericia LHSA Meeting October 2007 Dr. Kaufmann related some of the recent timelines for Leica: 1976 – 1st Autofocus camera; when presented to the Board, the Board made the comment that, “our customers can focus.” So the patent was given to Minolta!!! 1988 – Factory moved from Wetzler to an old furniture factory in Solms. 1994 – 1st Leica Digital Camera, the S1, was produced and then abandoned. 2002 -- Dr. Kaufmann and his two brothers created ACM. Now he owns it completely. 2005 -- ACM purchased a majority in Leica. November 2007 -- he will be the total owner of Leica. In January 2008, they will start work on the 40-acre Leica Park in Wetzler; moving the Leica Camera factory from Solms with production from that new, Wetzler factory in January 2009! The factory will be not only the place for Leicas to be built, but also it will be designed so that tours of the factory will be encouraged. Besides the factory, there will be a Leica Museum as well as 2 other companies that are owned by ACM, Dr. Kaufmann’s holding company. In response to a question, Dr. Kaufmann said that a film “M” camera would be produced as long as there was enough demand for it to be profitable. In his presentation, Dr. Kaufmann had a diagram that divided the slide into 4 parts. The upper left part was Expensive/Expert; the lower right part was Inexpensive/Amateur. The current M camera would be in the upper left part with the R series just below it. A new R camera is being developed that will be about the same position as the current R. However, a new M is being developed which is aimed at being less expensive and less technical (expertise) than the current M. Intriguingly enough is the new camera, called the “X” camera for now, that is in the intersection of the expense and expertise lines. When asked about the new R, he wouldn’t be specific, but he did say that ideally, it would have autofocus and a larger than full-frame sensor!!!! Plus a lot of other advances. In addition to all this, about 20+ new lens are being developed. It looks like a bright future for Leica!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mby Posted January 28, 2010 Share #87 Posted January 28, 2010 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm voting for a "Boardroom" sub-forum... Who's with me? Send them to Davos! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 28, 2010 Share #88 Posted January 28, 2010 @fotmaesron - 2007 is hardly news in 2010, especially in the digital world. It is good to see, however, how cleverly Dr. Kaufmann announced the S2 there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted January 28, 2010 Share #89 Posted January 28, 2010 I'm voting for a "Boardroom" sub-forum... Who's with me? Regards, Bill +1 Perfect venue for all those folks who feel they know more about managing Leica's business... than does Leica. Who knows, Leica might appreciate all the cogent, illuminating suggestions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcoombs Posted January 29, 2010 Share #90 Posted January 29, 2010 I'm voting for a "Boardroom" sub-forum... Who's with me? Regards, Bill Only if you can put sub-forums on the "ignore" list. Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted January 29, 2010 Share #91 Posted January 29, 2010 Only if you can put sub-forums on the "ignore" list. Doug I think that this idea is a reincarnation of the CEO forum idea which was not taken up. I presume that the administrator and moderators decided that it was not in the forum's best interest. However much some of us disagree with the intent and tone of many of these messages, clearly there are many different viewpoints and standards in what people write. Perhaps the most practical solution is simply to add individual posters to your 'ignore lists' where you find their posts consistently irritating or unreasonable. It makes for much more harmonious reading of the forum. You only see these posts when they are quoted by others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mweiner Posted January 29, 2010 Share #92 Posted January 29, 2010 hoppyman, your solution hasn't been working for me. I have had bigsplash (as the only one) on my ignore list for a more than a month or so. My problem is that people like you, Jaapv, Andy Barton, whose posts I almost always make sure to read because they are _usually_ instructive for me, are frequently replying to bigsplash. I understand the feeling he constantly generates for prople to set the record straight and to quote what he wrote to clarify their comment; and am thankful they do so, but my reading those posts of yours, Jaapvs, Andys and others is a waste of time for me. Is there a way I could ignore all of your and other's replies to bigsplash and still read everything else you and they post? Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mauribix Posted January 29, 2010 Share #93 Posted January 29, 2010 Michael I'm afraid you can't, if this is your will. Walk on by those comments is all I can suggest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted January 29, 2010 Share #94 Posted January 29, 2010 Michael I no longer respond to or quote from posters that in my view are consistently vexatious, irritating or negative regarding Leica, so you can safely read any posts from me . Simply my opinion but it is supposed to be fun and life's too short for mediocre lenses and ordinary beer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicoleica Posted January 29, 2010 Share #95 Posted January 29, 2010 Send them to Davos! Or better still, send them to Davros! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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