noah_addis Posted December 10, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've been editing my work from a recent trip to Brazil, and I noticed some problem files. Has anyone else experienced this? I have a handful of other similar frames, all from different days, different cards, etc. I was shooting uncompressed DNG only and these are quick LR conversions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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noah_addis Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share #2 Posted December 10, 2009 Oops they didn't upload. Here they are... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/106307-m9-problems-part-ii/?do=findComment&comment=1146416'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 10, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 10, 2009 Mine hasn't done that (yet??) What card do you use? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted December 10, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 10, 2009 That second one looks zoomed in where those two sections are. Weird! You don't think that maybe you zoomed in on the lcd while it was writing to the card, do you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted December 10, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 10, 2009 Did you try the files in another converter (C1)?. I recently saw artefacts like those you show in LR (zooming in), but they were not on the files, but only a bug of LR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdh Posted December 10, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 10, 2009 What are the specific problems? I don't see anything that couldn't stem from lighting or the distortions caused by airplane window glass (I'm looking at the images on a laptop). Regards - Seth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlesphoto99 Posted December 10, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 10, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Noah, Haven't seen those yet, though I did get the occasional "electronic scramble" on my M8s. Alas.... one of the reasons that for client work I usually lug along the D3 instead of the M. For travel, stock, personal assignment work, etc no choice (no way am I ever traveling with a dslr) but if a once in a lifetime shot is corrupted then I only have myself to answer to. I'm not really sure if Leica took the long hard look at the electronics inside the M8 they should have. IMO they should have done a total revamp (and maybe sourced via Panasonic?) as they obviously are still proving somewhat unreliable and slow as all get out. Oh well, it's still the most enjoyable camera to shoot with on the market and well worth the $ and any hassle (and boy did I go through a lot with the M8!). Charles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 10, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 10, 2009 You don't think that maybe you zoomed in on the lcd while it was writing to the card, do you? That is an interesting thought. Autoreview on of off? One could accidentally hit the wheel and if there is a timing conflict between displaying and writing that could be the explanation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted December 10, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 10, 2009 I've had a very similar thing happen to my D3 files, believe it or not. Without exception, it was the card reader scrambling the image on copy. Large RAW files make for difficulties sometimes... Do you still have the original DNG on the card? Can you re-copy it and take a look? Also, this is a long-shot, but are you "optimizing" the DNG in LR? I believe it also re-writes the DNG, which is something I would never let a RAW program do... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2mini Posted December 10, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 10, 2009 Do you still have the original DNG on the card? Can you re-copy it and take a look? Oh man, that would be a great and easy test if the images are still on the card. Could try copying direct from camera to computer via the usb cable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottwallick Posted December 10, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 10, 2009 Oops they didn't upload. Here they are... I have seen this error in only one photo I have taken with my M9. At the time, I was using a SanDisk Ultra II 8GB. I haven't been able to replicate this again, and it only happened once. So far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted December 10, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 10, 2009 Oh man, that would be a great and easy test if the images are still on the card. Could try copying direct from camera to computer via the usb cable. Yeah, sometimes it is the simple things But you don't even have to try it from the camera! Usually it's an intermittent problem with the reader trying to dump a ton of data from (relatively) fast cards. I had two Sandisk high-speed readers for my Extreme IV cards. I was getting corrupted Nikon RAW files (NEFs) in C1 and I thought something was wrong with the cards, then with the camera. Even my backups appeared corrupted. I was not pleased. But I went back and recopied just the problem files... and what do you know? They were fine from a single file copy.... New card readers fixed the problem entirely, BTW. But data transfer of GB of card data can be tricky from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share #13 Posted December 10, 2009 The cards were Sandisk Extreme III 4GB, it's all I use right now. The reader is a sandisk as well. Unfortunately the cards are (long since) formatted and have been reused. It was literally a handful of images out of 4000, so not a big deal about these specific photos. I guess I'll have to check the images more carefully upon copying them to my computer. I may be due for a new card reader or two. Which one are you guys using? I'd prefer not to have a one-reader-fits-all model with a million different slots. Does anyone make a good solid SD-only reader? I've been shooting digital for a while with everything from an NC2000 to a 1DSMKII, and I've seen far worse problems from time to time with other cameras. From my experience the M9 is not any more or less reliable than other digital cameras. Just thought I'd point this out to see if anyone else has had this problem. If it happens again I'll be sure to re-copy from the card. For the record, review was off and so zooming during playback could not have been the cause. And there was no door on the chopper, so it sure as heck wasn't a reflection. It's the only way to fly:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share #14 Posted December 10, 2009 Forgot to mention--I did not use LR to rewrite the files, I keep the original uncompressed DNGs and have only been using LR to browse and tag photos. I tried converting the file in ACR and also C1 and they were still bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted December 11, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 11, 2009 I have seen this with my M9. I believe it is related to camera lockups -- I have had 4-5 freezes so far, where I had to remove the battery in order to get the camera working again. I *believe* that the images where I have seen this where taken when the camera locked up. I am using Sandisk Extreme III 8GB cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted December 11, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 11, 2009 I'm using a mix of new Ultras (8 and 16 GB) and older Extreme III's (4 and 8 GB). Haven't seen the reported lockup from very fast shooting, have seen the lockup from aborting a shot with the lens cap on. Haven't seen drifting patches in any dng file. I am using an old 2-input (SD + CF) SanDisk reader and a bunch of the one input (SD only) SanDisk readers that used to come along for free with the cards. Has any one got a newer reader to recommend? scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 11, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 11, 2009 The lens-cap lockup is easy to replicate, Scott. Just take an image with the lens cap on and whilst the shutter is open switch off the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpattinson Posted December 11, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 11, 2009 I've been editing my work from a recent trip to Brazil, and I noticed some problem files. Has anyone else experienced this? I have a handful of other similar frames, all from different days, different cards, etc. I was shooting uncompressed DNG only and these are quick LR conversions. Just curious, do the embedded sections look like they came from specific previous frames? the left hand section of the interior looks like it isn't from the image it's embedded in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted December 11, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 11, 2009 I found really amazing how many incompetent memory card manufactures are on this Planet and how bad this is for Leica business... Poor Leica, depending on incompetent memory card manufactures! I wonder how Nikon, Canon and other brands manage to survive in this hard World when they don't even have a 10th of the quality of Leica products! Really amazing. (This was my today's sarcastic minute) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Lea Posted December 11, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 11, 2009 Noah I'm off to Brazil, mainly Rio Grande do Norte, for two months soon. I've travelled around the country quite a bit, but have always been put off taking my Leica because of the high risk of robbery/violence. (I used to use an OM-4, and more recently a 5D, which I felt I could afford to lose). Have you found this to be a problem? I saw in another thread that you negotiated with favela leaders before shooting, but this isn't likely to be an option for me (I won't be going to any!). Thanks Peter Lea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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