cheewai_m6 Posted October 30, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) ok, this is just a question, and it's about your/mine opinion. just asking what you think or whether you would like it. what would you think if a the next m digital had a 'film' advanced lever on it? obviously it would only be re-cocking the shutter. it would increase battery life, and bring back more of the m tradition. i know time have changed, but i personally wouldn't mind an m digital with an advance lever. it'd be more like shooting film, but not. i know it's simpler to have no lever, but it's just more traditional. whether leica can fit the mechanism in is beside the point, i'm pretty sure they won't try it anyway. just asking whether you'd like it or not. i would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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doug_m Posted October 30, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 30, 2009 I think Leica has done a great job keeping their rangefinder concept and tradition alive and well as a digital camera. Its a great blend of the old and the new. An advance/ shutter cock lever is really not part of that tradition. We are beyond the wind lever. My vote would be no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrice Posted October 30, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 30, 2009 I like the idea since I love the action, and it gives me time to think between shots! Longer battery lives are always appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted October 30, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 30, 2009 I like the idea, and have suggested itself on occasion in the past. It would not only give us less noise, but also a place to hook our thumbs. I doubt there is room in the body though. The mechanics for this take up some space, and if you have seen Mark Norton's threads, there is no extra space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 30, 2009 Share #5 Posted October 30, 2009 This topic has come up frequently, and most folks here dismiss the idea. The real appeal for me would be the elimination of the motor whirring sound after shutter release...silence is golden for some work, and discreet mode just isn't the same. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted October 30, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 30, 2009 It might be considered obsolete, but it also makes for less noise and better battery duration, so why not in the end? Camera will stay simple, but a bit more expensive. Would be a nice retro add on.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnakChan Posted October 30, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 30, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hmmm...my 2 yen worth, although I like some of the traditional mechanism, personally I'd like it to be practical too. e.g. a crank knob to me wouldn't be very practical and would be there almost more for aesthetic reasons. However the top panel of shot count, and the ISO dial at the back would be my preference. Having said that, I have no idea where the LCD back will go . If I had my way, I'd ditch the LCD back for the ISO (and somehow have all the other settings done through some other panel). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheewai_m6 Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share #8 Posted October 30, 2009 sorry, i had a quick look but couldn't find this topic being raised already. just ignore it if you want. i even though bring the iso dial back, but the monitor is there. i shot that idea down by myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted October 30, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 30, 2009 I'd be happy to see it, but I would prefer by far for the body to be as thin as a film M. If that meant no LCD, so be it. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noah_addis Posted October 30, 2009 Share #10 Posted October 30, 2009 I've suggested this several times, and my suggestion is usually followed by people telling me how it would never sell. I'd like a digital MP with a thumb wind, cloth shutter (if space permits, which I do realize it may not), NO LCD, traditional M dimensions and an ISO dial where the MP rewind knob is. To make it more marketable, I would suggest a bluetooth or wifi connection so you can see image previews on your iphone or other handheld device. All they'd have to do is make a bunch of special editions and they'd sell to the collectors. And an admittedly small group of serious photographers would buy them too. So I think they could sell. The R&D heavy-lifting has been done. The M9 sensor and electronics would be great for such a camera. Even the speed to write to the card isn't as critical since the thumb wind would limit the speed you can shoot somewhat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogenis Posted October 30, 2009 Share #11 Posted October 30, 2009 Anyway all this is irrelevant. M9 is already a wonderful camera that achieved so much: kept and improved in the legacy of the M8 which resembles older film cameras, is the smallest and lightest in the world, is silent is compact and with great results. It has evolved a lot since the M8 was out and in things that count. Add simplicity to all that, what more can one needs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgilius Posted October 30, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 30, 2009 perhaps a future M should also have some sort of mulitfunctional dial at the location of the rewind lever on the M7. I also would like to a M10 having the dimensions of an M7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 30, 2009 Share #13 Posted October 30, 2009 Anyway all this is irrelevant.M9 is already a wonderful camera that achieved so much: kept and improved in the legacy of the M8 which resembles older film cameras, is the smallest and lightest in the world, is silent is compact and with great results. It has evolved a lot since the M8 was out and in things that count. Add simplicity to all that, what more can one needs? No, it's not silent...hence major reason some like the idea. The motor sound exists, even if potentially delayed. I still own the M8.2, but the same issue applies. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhoersch Posted October 30, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 30, 2009 I like the idea, too. It would have another invaluable advantage: it might get rid once and for all of camera freezes in continuous mode, which Leica has not been able to do in three years, three camera models and I don't know how many firmware releases... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted October 30, 2009 Share #15 Posted October 30, 2009 I'd also love it and have said so on previous threads. I recall, however, that quite a few people said they wouldn't buy a digital M unless it had the motorized advance. I think the next M could be even lighter, smaller and quieter with a manual advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgio Posted October 30, 2009 Share #16 Posted October 30, 2009 The 'film' advanced lever is one of the things that made the Epson RD-1 digital rangefinder so popular. It would be great when the M had it too. Geo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted October 30, 2009 Share #17 Posted October 30, 2009 I'd also be happy about a reintroduction of the lever - though more for silence than for battery issues. I remember from marknorton's analysis of energy consumption of different components that the motor is not a big consumer, but I may be wrong. Mr. mhoersch is certainly right that there would be no freezing caused by continous mode any more, for with a manual lever you would not have any continous mode, but just one shot with one lever motion. I am not sure, who would be right as well to critizise this as a serious backlash. There have been even people who critizise that the M9 has no sapphire glass, so there will be people who find their issues even if the M9x had a manual lever. What about shutter speed? Would a manual lever allow higher speeds than 1/1000? I could imagine some severe critizism from users, that Leica has never been able to apply higher speeds than 1/1000 with a manually cocked shutter for the last 75 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 30, 2009 Share #18 Posted October 30, 2009 ...what would you think if a the next m digital had a 'film' advanced lever on it?.... I would say that Leica waited 5 years to do like Epson. Makes me smile a bit sadly when i see that some Leica users need a Chinese accessory like Thumbs Up to use their M8 or M9 like a genuine Leica. Manual lever cocks the shutter, so no motor noise thanksfully, and allows for shooting with one hand if need be. Saves battery life as well and gives the feeling to use a M3 DS with one stroke only. Now forget if you need speed. A good dSLR is mandatory then as the 2 fps of M8 and M9 are not fast enough anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeplanter Posted October 30, 2009 Share #19 Posted October 30, 2009 I don't own a M9 but I kind of like the idea of adding the lever. Leica went their own way with the M9 (meaning continuing on with the traditional rangefinder concept) so why not add to it by adopting a lever advance? Jim B. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted October 30, 2009 Share #20 Posted October 30, 2009 ...What about shutter speed? Would a manual lever allow higher speeds than 1/1000? I could imagine some severe critizism from users, that Leica has never been able to apply higher speeds than 1/1000 with a manually cocked shutter for the last 75 years. Why would Leica do worst than Epson? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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