jaapv Posted June 12, 2009 Share #1 Posted June 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) Everybody knows by now. There will be no R10, no DSLR. Need we despair? No, there is something coming that is as good, maybe even better. A full-format EVF camera, fully compatible with R lenses, and probably with a full range of new AF lenses. How do I know? Simple. Stephan Daniel told me (with exception of the lens bit, but that seems to be inevitable) with 100% conviction in a private converation. And no, I am not under NDA:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lct Posted June 12, 2009 Share #2 Posted June 12, 2009 David Frakas was so convincing about the "R10" that i was prepared to buy an Elmarit 19 despite the fact it does not fit my 5D. Big mistake apparently. Looks like my next DSLR will be a Canon finally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted June 12, 2009 Share #3 Posted June 12, 2009 Everybody knows by now. There will be no R10, no DSLR. Need we despair? No, there is something coming that is as good, maybe even better. A full-format EVF camera, fully compatible with R lenses, and probably with a full range of new AF lenses. No thanks. But that confirms, once again, what I said about the complete death of the R a couple of months ago on the forum... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #4 Posted June 12, 2009 David Frakas was so convincing about the "R10" that i was prepared to buy an Elmarit 19 despite the fact it does not fit my 5D. Big mistake apparently. Looks like my next DSLR will be a Canon finally. Well, doesn't that depend on what this giant G1 will do, and what it looks like? If the can get the evf really good ( and Stefan said Leica regards the G1 as just about the lowes limit of what is acceptable) and is looking for something substantially better, what is the problem? So it will be a Digilux-R. And??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted June 12, 2009 Share #5 Posted June 12, 2009 And? Not interested at all... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 12, 2009 Share #6 Posted June 12, 2009 So the only way to get an optical VF will be to purchase the Godzilla S2. What a shame really. Leica will have done its best to disgust its legacy customers definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted June 12, 2009 Advertisement (gone after registration) You would be more disgusted if their market analysis would turn out to be correct and they went into receivership by forging ahead regardless. You won't have to buy it, just put Nikon mounts on your lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
berndr Posted June 12, 2009 Share #8 Posted June 12, 2009 Hello, seems to me the right descision: a professional FF-EVL cam. Watch the Pana G1 for about 500 Euros, what a cam could be build for the Leica pricerange? The only question for me is when will it be avaiable? Photocina 2010 might be to late. I'am sure C,N or S will show us theirs solutions too. Regards, Bernd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #9 Posted June 12, 2009 I agree 100%, Bernd. It seems to me that they should be able to get it out fairly soon. Given the time schedule Stefan outlined, S2 on time, M9 (or M8.3) shortly after (PMA??) and then the next step, it looks like early or mid 2010 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 12, 2009 Share #10 Posted June 12, 2009 ...You won't have to buy it, just put Nikon mounts on your lenses. Yes Canon or Nikon. Sad choice for an old Leica lover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted June 12, 2009 Share #11 Posted June 12, 2009 EVF is not bad, it gives you preview of the result right after in the viewfinder directly so you can continue shooting without removing the attention. And even the EVF on the Digilux 2 is not great, it does the job. It's great to look through a clear and bright viewfinder as on the SL and R9, but it's an exclusive experience. It's the final picture that goes into distribution, and you get used to adjusting what you see in a viewfinder to what you will get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #12 Posted June 12, 2009 Actually, if it would be a Digilux-2 like camera, that would not be a bad thing. It is -allowingfor technology changes- one of the best digital cameras ever built. Btw, Stefan finally admitted tonight that the Digilux 2 is the only Panaleica that is fully developed by Leica - not Panasonic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 12, 2009 Share #13 Posted June 12, 2009 ...It's great to look through a clear and bright viewfinder as on the SL and R9, but it's an exclusive experience... ... that Leica does not want to share with me any more. Oh well Cosina Zeiss lenses are not bad after all. I will probably go for the 28/2 and the 50/2 when they are launched for my 5D but i'll keep using my good old Leica lenses from time to time for sure. Tomorrow will be another day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 12, 2009 Author Share #14 Posted June 12, 2009 ... that Leica does not want to share with me any more From the tone of Stefan I would say they would love to share it with you, but they simply cannot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted June 12, 2009 Share #15 Posted June 12, 2009 Sounds like there's a healthy dose of financial realism taking hold... Makes the S2 all the more special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemalk Posted June 12, 2009 Share #16 Posted June 12, 2009 ...Stefan finally admitted tonight that the Digilux 2 is the only Panaleica that is fully developed by Leica - not Panasonic. This makes NO sense. It sounds a bit revisionist, if you ask me. How on earth did Leica singlehandedly develop the Digilux 2...even though the LC1 was released beforehand? Even as a marketer, you'd want your product out first and not compete DIRECTLY with a less expensive model. (Edit: the Digilux 2 was announced three months before the LC1 was) I (still) call marketing BS on this. Surprising Leica doesn't want to take credit on the D-Lux 3 and 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted June 13, 2009 Share #17 Posted June 13, 2009 David Frakas was so convincing about the "R10" that i was prepared to buy an Elmarit 19 despite the fact it does not fit my 5D. Big mistake apparently. Looks like my next DSLR will be a Canon finally. All I can say is that I am surprised as you regarding this news. A lot must have changed since my conversations with Leica, both at Photokina and PMA. There was an abrupt change at PMA, when I noticed that "R10" had been transformed into either "the next reflex camera" or "the other project". Apparently, "the other project" must have won out in the end. Provided the EVF is high enough resolution and the refresh of the sensor is good enough, it may not be a bad solution. Many around here had been asking/hoping for a smaller, EVF-type camera for a while now. Perhaps this is the way of the future. I'd like to get more details on this new camera concept first-hand and see how it fits into the big picture with the M and S lines. I certainly had no intention of misleading anyone. I was merely working with the information that I had been given regarding an R10 since Photokina 2006 and as recently as two months ago. I'll work on getting as many details on this as possible. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 13, 2009 Share #18 Posted June 13, 2009 No harm done David. You're just another victim of Leica's communication or lack thereof. In fact i often wondered if they know themselves what they're going to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted June 13, 2009 Share #19 Posted June 13, 2009 Leica have a habit of telling people what they want to hear. I'll wait till something is on the shelves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 13, 2009 Share #20 Posted June 13, 2009 Without getting into whether EVFs are "good" or not, they are certainly easier and cheaper to build than full SLR mechanisms - much more in line with a company the size of Leica. I was actually rather surprised that Leica tried building their own again (R8/9) after the experience of the SL2, where Leica lost money on every camera. All those cranks and levers and sub-mirrors and metering cells are costly in small volumes. You need the volume of a Canon or Nikon or Minolta to spread them out. Maybe old weird Frank's idea of a "new Visoflex" is not that far off the mark - except that it would just be an EVF "prism" that slides into an M9 (with Live View) hotshoe, plus an R-M adapter (incorporating electrical-motor aperture stopdown). No need to worry about whether there is room for a mirror behind the R lenses - no mirror needed. Or - to avoid strokes among M purists - it could be a free-standing body that IN EFFECT is a Live View M9, sans RF, with an EVF hump on top. At any rate, more or less as easy (or easier - no RF to calibrate) to assemble as an M. Commonality of parts would cut costs for both M and "whatever-the-EVF-camera-is-called". Just blue-skying ideas here. I will say the Panny G1/GH1 EVF is a revelation - huge and clear and bright in comparison to the screens of "cropped" traditional SLRs as well as previous EVFs. Not perfect, but it redefines the genre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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