colonel Posted September 16, 2014 Share #1 Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) well its here and quite nice x-vario styled body with a 23mm 1.7 lens much nicer then the X2. I never quite got on with the plastic flash mount on top. this looks much more premium external EVF is the same one as the T, which is a very good one IMHO Reid's review is already out there and interesting reading. main disappointment is mild AA filter but still has plus points vs X100T Leica sure love that 16.5mp Sony sensor .... Marketing: "Iconic focal length & aperture combination. Made in Germany Leica Camera AG, presents a further model in the Leica X line: the new Leica X – made in Germany. Featuring a new Leica Summilux 23 mm f/1.7 ASPH. prime lens and a sensor that is particularly large for this camera class, it captures exceptionally brilliant pictures. Its versatility is further expanded by a video function for moving pictures in full-HD quality. Together with an extensive range of setting options and an intuitively simple handling concept, the Leica X unites everything that defines the art of photography in an iconic Leica design statement: the joy of seeing unforgettable moments in a particularly personal way. As is the case with all cameras in the Leica X line, the Leica X features a professional APS-C-format CMOS sensor with over 16.5 megapixels (effective 16.2 megapixels) that, in combination with its fast Leica Summilux 23 mm f/1.7 ASPH. lens, ensures maximum imaging quality and pictures with natural colour rendition and the finest reproduction of details. The crop factor of the sensor is 1.5 in comparison with 35 mm film format. The angle of view of the lens of the Leica X is therefore equivalent to that of a 35 mm in full-frame format – one of the classic prime lenses – and makes it extremely versatile and ideal for reportage photography. Thanks to a very fast initial aperture of f/1.7, the Leica Summilux 23 mm f/1.7 ASPH. creates exceptionally beautiful bokeh. It is almost completely insensitive to flare and ghosting effects and delivers bright, clear and incredibly sharp photos – from infinity to its closest focusing distance of 0.2 metres. The Leica X is distinguished by timeless elegance, a clarity of design that is tightly focused on the essential as well as the highest quality with regard to the materials and finish of even the tiniest details. Everything is in high-quality metal – from the body and the control elements to the optimised thumb switch and the lens cap. The front and rear body shells are made of magnesium and the top and base plate from anodised aluminium. In combination with its premium leather trim, the Leica X is a true Leica in both look and feel. The camera is available as a discreet black version with colour-matched leather trim or as an elegant silver version with brown leather trim." Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited September 16, 2014 by colonel 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/233998-leica-x-typ-113-update/?do=findComment&comment=2670823'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 16, 2014 Posted September 16, 2014 Hi colonel, Take a look here Leica X Typ 113 update. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
leicatraveller Posted September 16, 2014 Share #2 Posted September 16, 2014 disappointed...same 5 years old sensor.... (was to costly for leica to put the 24mp sensor used in A600 ???) bigger body (much) and still no integrated EVF crazy.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhluxton Posted September 16, 2014 Share #3 Posted September 16, 2014 This is what the original X1 should have been like. The rigid lens appears a much better idea. John 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted September 16, 2014 Share #4 Posted September 16, 2014 Seems like a nice camera. No complaints about using same sensor, never had any issues with that on the X2. Hopefully the new lens is better matched to sensor though, as I feel that was the weakest spot on the X2. The X2 was using the same lens as X1 and felt like the X1 sensor was better match to it than the X2 sensor. Also looks like manual focus has been moved to lens barrel, which is definitely a welcome update! The X2 manual focus was horrible.. the thumbwheel was lacking in response and it just didn't make sense for anything other than preset focus point. And the ugly hump on top is gone //Juha 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted September 16, 2014 Share #5 Posted September 16, 2014 And this is the competitor: Sony RX1R, 24MP FF AA filter free, f2.0 Sonnar. Granted, lacks the red dot and is slightly pricier. But it offers a Sensor lens combo which is difficult to beat. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlindstrom Posted September 16, 2014 Share #6 Posted September 16, 2014 And this is the competitor:Sony RX1R, 24MP FF AA filter free, f2.0 Sonnar. Granted, lacks the red dot and is slightly pricier. But it offers a Sensor lens combo which is difficult to beat. True and also regular RX1 and even more surprisingly the new D-Lux as well. D-Lux might lose a bit with the user interface and dof sector, but on the other hand has OIS, 4K video, fast zoom lens, built-in vf etc. But it's all very personal when it comes to these choices. The X2 was hardly up to spec when I bought it, but I never felt really limited by it. Granted AF should have been better, but that isn't Sony RX1's forte either. Sony could also drop much of the extra crap it has on it, to make it even better. //Juha Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I can't stand power zooms. They are so slow, it makes you miss the picture. Why I didn't like the RX100 for instance and why I think I won't like the new D-Lux or the Panny LX100 The X-Vario really hits the spot as the zoom is manual. I wish other manufacturers bring out compact zooms which are mechanical. The Panny GM1 + zoom is quite good as well for fast shooting, although the touch interface drove me mad. Failing that it has to be non extending zoom. I never liked the lens extending on "on" like the Nikon Coolpix A, X1, X2, etc. The RX1 didn't have this issue which was a big plus for me. If the X 113 does not extend on "on" its a major win Edited September 16, 2014 by colonel Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted September 16, 2014 Share #8 Posted September 16, 2014 I like it so far. I had an X2 but traded it. I had the X Vario but traded it as well. I wanted a compact camera and this might work. I like the manual focus aspect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted September 16, 2014 Share #9 Posted September 16, 2014 I'm an x1 owner. Never found the desire to upgrade to x2 or vario. Now, this 1,7 lens seems me interesting. Hopefully the autofocus will be better than my x1 and the size not too increased...I'll give a try when available in a shop... robert 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tundraline Posted September 16, 2014 Share #10 Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) The New Lecia X has no built-in EVF. This camera looks like an almost heads on competitor to the Fuji X100T, which also has an APS sensor (but with no AA filter) and a single focal length lens (23mm, f/2.0). The Fuji X100T includes a built-in EVF and manual rangefinder focusing capabilities. I used to have an X1, which was a great camera. I briefly owned an X-Vario before selling it because of its relatively large size, so-so performance, and high price tag. The Typ 113 looks very interesting, but with no built-in EVF is not of much interest to me personally given that the X100T with a newer (and probably better) sensor and an EVF can be picked up for almost $1,000 less. Edited September 16, 2014 by tundraline Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicatraveller Posted September 16, 2014 Share #11 Posted September 16, 2014 No complaints about using same sensor, //Juha lets compare 70cmx100 print done by your X1 and my RX1 .... you will see the difference of sensor and maybe you will start to complain :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted September 16, 2014 Share #12 Posted September 16, 2014 I'm an x1 owner. Never found the desire to upgrade to x2 or vario. Now, this 1,7 lens seems me interesting. Hopefully the autofocus will be better than my x1 and the size not too increased...I'll give a try when available in a shop...robert I fear the increased bulk will deter some potential upgraders. My X1 shoots far more than other cameras for me because I can slip it into my trouser or vest pocket. I can have it with me when other cameras are not appropriate. And the results match those from my M9 in most cases. If the Leica X Typ 113 body resembles that on the XV and has a fixed fast lens, (very useful I admit), the bulk of the new X leaves it in the 'bag' Leica category when going out and about. It is more a camera for serious travel photography rather than trips more typical of everyday life. But the faster lens has its attractions. Unlike the X1, this is not a camera for purchase off the page. I will await an opportunity and reassess later. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted September 16, 2014 The New Lecia X has no built-in EVF. This camera looks like an almost heads on competitor to the Fuji X100T, which also has an APS sensor (but with no AA filter) and a single focal length lens (23mm, f/2.0). The Fuji X100T includes a built-in EVF and manual rangefinder focusing capabilities. I used to have an X1, which was a great camera. I briefly owned an X-Vario before selling it because of its relatively large size, so-so performance, and high price tag. The Typ 113 looks very interesting, but with no built-in EVF is not of much interest to me personally given that the X100T with a newer (and probably better) sensor and an EVF can be picked up for almost $1,000 less. Without getting into the Leica vs others debate I never got on with the x-trans array. I also note that many reviews have hinted that the Fuji cameras would be even better with a bayer filter. Lastly I like the build and design of the Leica far better for what that's worth. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted September 16, 2014 Share #14 Posted September 16, 2014 Without getting into the Leica vs others debate I never got on with the x-trans array. I also note that many reviews have hinted that the Fuji cameras would be even better with a bayer filter.Lastly I like the build and design of the Leica far better for what that's worth. I prefer the Fuji built and the Fuji viewfinder but when I owned bot the x100 and the X1 I prefered the X1 IQ and size. I now own the x2 and its my main"compact". I dont know if the larger size of the new X is woth it to gain one f-stop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tundraline Posted September 16, 2014 Share #15 Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) Without getting into the Leica vs others debate I never got on with the x-trans array. I also note that many reviews have hinted that the Fuji cameras would be even better with a bayer filter.Lastly I like the build and design of the Leica far better for what that's worth. All good points, Harold. I compared shots taken with a full frame Canon 6D to those taken with an X-Trans sensor in a Fuji X-T1, and surprisingly the Fuji sensor was sharper. I have had very good luck with the X-Trans sensor, and have been very impressed with it, although color balance for skin tones leaves something to be desired. It would be very interesting to compare results achieved with an X100T and a Typ 113. I would certainly consider the Typ 113 over the X100T given a rationale to do so (e.g., better build quality, better lens or IQ, smaller, etc.). Just found this nice review by Jono Slack: http://theleicameet.wordpress.com/ Edited September 16, 2014 by tundraline 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted September 17, 2014 Share #16 Posted September 17, 2014 Have to say that I'm impressed. This time Leica didn't do any misleading 'Mini M' teaser marketing nonsense, but surprised us all with a camera that had no leaks or rumours. Well done on that! A 35/1.7 eq. lens on an X Vario type body is a great idea. The XV feels more like a film M in size, and sits in the hand so nicely, so the X will feel the same. It may feel even better, as the lens is smaller and less weighty than the Vario. Jono's review states that the X uses the new Visoflex, which is good, but rather pricey and has no Olympus equivalent. It also states that while it focuses down to 20cm, it closes the aperture to f2.8 to preserve the best image quality. This disappoints me a little, as the Fuji X100 series is the nearest competitor, and at f2 macro the X100's lens is soft and glowy. You need to stop the lens to f2.8 for the glow to go away. I'd hoped that Leica would have been able to better that behaviour, allowing us to shoot a clean and crisp image at f1.7 at minimum distance, but it seems not. Apart from that small detail, the X looks like a great camera. A robust XV style body with a fast non-extending lens, manual focus, and purportedly improved focus and shooting speed. Can't wait to try one! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted September 17, 2014 Share #17 Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) I'm still after a new high quality P&S. The new D-Lux has a lot going for it - especially an inbuilt EVF - and it would suit my other family members. The X? Well the lack of inbuilt VF is still an issue for me and it's beyond me why Leica hasn't built in an OVF (I assume cost). An external OVF or EVF really compromises the form-factor and opens up the field to other contenders . If I end up going in the direction of a camera with an external finder then the FF Sony Rx-1R or the upcoming new iteration (with Zeiss 1.8/35 , curved sensor, and possibly a Monochrom version) would still be my preference. I think I'll wait a bit longer. Edited September 17, 2014 by MarkP 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted September 17, 2014 Share #18 Posted September 17, 2014 This is interesting: comments about the aperture automatically stopping down at close distance, translated from a Les Numeriques article: " Indeed, you will be well on f / 1.7 1.8 m to infinity, but from 1.5 to 1.8 meters, you will be f / 2, 1 m to 1.5 m you will be f / 2.2 and below the diaphragm will close at f / 2.8." Google Translate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted September 17, 2014 Share #19 Posted September 17, 2014 If it had a pop up EVF in lieu of the pop up flash it would be my compact of choice. As long as I have to go through the hassles with external EVFs I`d rather stick with the RX1r. The much less expensive Fuji XT is no contender against the X113 and RX1r, neither sensor (don`t get along with these watercoloring X-trans stuff) nor lens wise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted September 17, 2014 Share #20 Posted September 17, 2014 At the moment, I really like this camera. A fast lens on a body a bit slimmer than the M2, not bad at all. The article from Les Numeriques shows it in comparison with a M2: And this video from Les Numeriques shows it quite well: The lens doesn't extend to power up or focus, which is something I have come to really favour since shooting with the the Fuji X100, mirrorless cameras, and the M9, of course. I can see this being a dedicated travel camera alongside a smaller camera with zoom, perhaps even the D-Lux/LX100. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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